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Donald
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:15 am Post subject:
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Joerg wrote:
| Quote: | Hello Slawc,
You don't need ULINK. Use onboard RS232 port and internal bootloader.
Software is free and available at philips site.
Yes, if I had RS232. But the PCs around here are mostly USB only. Maybe
some converter box would work. But I remember that it didn't with the
MSP430 programmer so I had to get the USB version for that one. I just
want to avoid having a gazillion of these boxes flying around, like one
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OK, just get the manufactures to all agree on a programming / debugging
platform that will take care of all present and future processors.
I am sure you have the clout to ask them all for this little request.
Donald
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R Adsett
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:15 am Post subject:
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In article <QrIlf.28244$7h7.878@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net says...
| Quote: | Hello Spehro,
Actually, I misspoke. I have the mcb2130, which has a serial port for
download. Have not picked up the ULink USB JTAG.
Most laptops don't have any ports other than USB. That often puts a
crimp into things.
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USB to serial port will work (or so I've heard, since you can get away
with just Tx and Rx running the other lines manually I don't see any
reason to doubt it). They can be programmed with either. You do
sacrifice fewer pins with a serial update but if you are already using
the JTAG anyway....
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An Schwob in the USA
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 1:15 am Post subject:
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Joerg,
to get going fast this is the best choice right now. MCB2103 with ULINK
ordering at www.LPCtools.com (no quoting just get your credit card out
of your pocket)
Combo price $249, that's not exactly free but well worth the money,
considering that the KEIL C-compiler can be used for projects up to 16k
code and unlike the trial version of the 51 generates code that is
located at the Reset Vector.
The ULINK is a USB to JTAG device that gives you quite some nice
debugging options.
For the same functionality in tools in the 51-world you would probably
pay more :-)
Your intentions to use the ARM running at 70 MHz for algorithms, expect
it to be up to 100 times fast than a 12 MHz 51 if using 32-bit integers
and probably similar for float. Not really a fair comparison but still
a valid one.
An Schwob
p.s. for pricing idea, the devices are already listed at Digikey. At
100 pieces, the LPC2101 is already below $2, one off is a ridiculous
$3.15 (not including shipping ;-)
Joerg wrote:
| Quote: | Hello Slawc,
You don't need ULINK. Use onboard RS232 port and internal bootloader.
Software is free and available at philips site.
Yes, if I had RS232. But the PCs around here are mostly USB only. Maybe
some converter box would work. But I remember that it didn't with the
MSP430 programmer so I had to get the USB version for that one. I just
want to avoid having a gazillion of these boxes flying around, like one
for every uC family.
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com |
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sam
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:59 am Post subject:
Re: LPC2101 development kit, which one? |
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An Schwob in the USA wrote:
| Quote: | Joerg,
to get going fast this is the best choice right now. MCB2103 with ULINK
ordering at www.LPCtools.com (no quoting just get your credit card out
of your pocket)
Combo price $249, that's not exactly free but well worth the money,
this seems too much expensive for a small project like this. |
Under $100 USD is what I think it should worth.
Sam
| Quote: | considering that the KEIL C-compiler can be used for projects up to 16k
code and unlike the trial version of the 51 generates code that is
located at the Reset Vector.
The ULINK is a USB to JTAG device that gives you quite some nice
debugging options.
For the same functionality in tools in the 51-world you would probably
pay more :-)
Your intentions to use the ARM running at 70 MHz for algorithms, expect
it to be up to 100 times fast than a 12 MHz 51 if using 32-bit integers
and probably similar for float. Not really a fair comparison but still
a valid one.
An Schwob
p.s. for pricing idea, the devices are already listed at Digikey. At
100 pieces, the LPC2101 is already below $2, one off is a ridiculous
$3.15 (not including shipping ;-)
Joerg wrote:
Hello Slawc,
You don't need ULINK. Use onboard RS232 port and internal bootloader.
Software is free and available at philips site.
Yes, if I had RS232. But the PCs around here are mostly USB only. Maybe
some converter box would work. But I remember that it didn't with the
MSP430 programmer so I had to get the USB version for that one. I just
want to avoid having a gazillion of these boxes flying around, like one
for every uC family.
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com
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An Schwob in the USA
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:15 am Post subject:
Re: LPC2101 development kit, which one? |
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Sam,
don't knwo where you are but Joerg is in the USA. As a consultant $249
is a few hours worth of time, never ever is it possible to make this
kind of enviroment using such short
time. On top of it you save hours debugging the first project.
You really don't need to buy it, besides, is your name Joerg?
An Schwob
sam wrote:
| Quote: | An Schwob in the USA wrote:
Joerg,
to get going fast this is the best choice right now. MCB2103 with ULINK
ordering at www.LPCtools.com (no quoting just get your credit card out
of your pocket)
Combo price $249, that's not exactly free but well worth the money,
this seems too much expensive for a small project like this.
Under $100 USD is what I think it should worth.
Sam
considering that the KEIL C-compiler can be used for projects up to 16k
code and unlike the trial version of the 51 generates code that is
located at the Reset Vector.
The ULINK is a USB to JTAG device that gives you quite some nice
debugging options.
For the same functionality in tools in the 51-world you would probably
pay more :-)
Your intentions to use the ARM running at 70 MHz for algorithms, expect
it to be up to 100 times fast than a 12 MHz 51 if using 32-bit integers
and probably similar for float. Not really a fair comparison but still
a valid one.
An Schwob
p.s. for pricing idea, the devices are already listed at Digikey. At
100 pieces, the LPC2101 is already below $2, one off is a ridiculous
$3.15 (not including shipping ;-)
Joerg wrote:
Hello Slawc,
You don't need ULINK. Use onboard RS232 port and internal bootloader.
Software is free and available at philips site.
Yes, if I had RS232. But the PCs around here are mostly USB only. Maybe
some converter box would work. But I remember that it didn't with the
MSP430 programmer so I had to get the USB version for that one. I just
want to avoid having a gazillion of these boxes flying around, like one
for every uC family.
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com
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Spehro Pefhany
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:15 pm Post subject:
Re: LPC2101 development kit, which one? |
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On 9 Dec 2005 21:47:13 -0800, the renowned "An Schwob in the USA"
<schwobus@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Sam,
don't knwo where you are but Joerg is in the USA. As a consultant $249
is a few hours worth of time, never ever is it possible to make this
kind of enviroment using such short
time. On top of it you save hours debugging the first project.
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Yes, $250 US is nothing. I think Keil is based on the GCC compiler,
but you're also getting their installation script, their simulator,
debugger, IDE, the board and the USB JTAG box. Impulse purchase
territory.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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John Devereux
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:15 pm Post subject:
Re: LPC2101 development kit, which one? |
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Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> writes:
| Quote: | On 9 Dec 2005 21:47:13 -0800, the renowned "An Schwob in the USA"
schwobus@aol.com> wrote:
Sam,
don't knwo where you are but Joerg is in the USA. As a consultant $249
is a few hours worth of time, never ever is it possible to make this
kind of enviroment using such short
time. On top of it you save hours debugging the first project.
Yes, $250 US is nothing. I think Keil is based on the GCC compiler,
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I find that very hard to believe! They sell their own compiler, don't
they?
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Spehro Pefhany
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:15 pm Post subject:
Re: LPC2101 development kit, which one? |
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On 10 Dec 2005 13:43:33 +0000, the renowned John Devereux
<jdREMOVE@THISdevereux.me.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> writes:
On 9 Dec 2005 21:47:13 -0800, the renowned "An Schwob in the USA"
schwobus@aol.com> wrote:
Sam,
don't knwo where you are but Joerg is in the USA. As a consultant $249
is a few hours worth of time, never ever is it possible to make this
kind of enviroment using such short
time. On top of it you save hours debugging the first project.
Yes, $250 US is nothing. I think Keil is based on the GCC compiler,
I find that very hard to believe! They sell their own compiler, don't
they?
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Okay, maybe their development environment supports their proprietary
compiler and the open source compiler. There is definitely GNU stuff
in there:
"The HELLO program is a very simple program that prints "Hello World"
to the serial port of the AT91M40800. When you can successfully build
and run this program, you have used the entire toolset including:
The uVision2 integrated development environment.
The GNU compiler, linker and the µVision2 simulator/debugger."
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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John Devereux
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:15 am Post subject:
Re: LPC2101 development kit, which one? |
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Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> writes:
| Quote: | On 10 Dec 2005 13:43:33 +0000, the renowned John Devereux
jdREMOVE@THISdevereux.me.uk> wrote:
Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> writes:
On 9 Dec 2005 21:47:13 -0800, the renowned "An Schwob in the USA"
schwobus@aol.com> wrote:
Sam,
don't knwo where you are but Joerg is in the USA. As a consultant $249
is a few hours worth of time, never ever is it possible to make this
kind of enviroment using such short
time. On top of it you save hours debugging the first project.
Yes, $250 US is nothing. I think Keil is based on the GCC compiler,
I find that very hard to believe! They sell their own compiler, don't
they?
Okay, maybe their development environment supports their proprietary
compiler and the open source compiler. There is definitely GNU stuff
in there:
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OK. I am surprised they do even this. Especially if their own compiler
is limited to 16k.
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Chris Hills
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:15 am Post subject:
Re: LPC2101 development kit, which one? |
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In article <qqklp191u2e67ch67klpta8473e080753q@4ax.com>, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> writes
| Quote: | On 9 Dec 2005 21:47:13 -0800, the renowned "An Schwob in the USA"
schwobus@aol.com> wrote:
Sam,
don't knwo where you are but Joerg is in the USA. As a consultant $249
is a few hours worth of time, never ever is it possible to make this
kind of enviroment using such short
time. On top of it you save hours debugging the first project.
Yes, $250 US is nothing. I think Keil is based on the GCC compiler,
but you're also getting their installation script, their simulator,
debugger, IDE, the board and the USB JTAG box. Impulse purchase
territory.
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At one time Keil did an IDE (uVision) and simulator with an GCC
compiler. Then they did their own ARM7 C compiler. Which was up to their
usual standard.
Now Keil is owned by ARM.
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Spehro Pefhany
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:15 am Post subject:
Re: LPC2101 development kit, which one? |
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:40:56 +0000, the renowned Chris Hills
<chris@phaedsys.org> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <qqklp191u2e67ch67klpta8473e080753q@4ax.com>, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> writes
On 9 Dec 2005 21:47:13 -0800, the renowned "An Schwob in the USA"
schwobus@aol.com> wrote:
Sam,
don't knwo where you are but Joerg is in the USA. As a consultant $249
is a few hours worth of time, never ever is it possible to make this
kind of enviroment using such short
time. On top of it you save hours debugging the first project.
Yes, $250 US is nothing. I think Keil is based on the GCC compiler,
but you're also getting their installation script, their simulator,
debugger, IDE, the board and the USB JTAG box. Impulse purchase
territory.
At one time Keil did an IDE (uVision) and simulator with an GCC
compiler. Then they did their own ARM7 C compiler. Which was up to their
usual standard.
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Ah, okay.
| Quote: | Now Keil is owned by ARM.
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So I heard. Now, what happens to Realview? And does it matter?
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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Gene S. Berkowitz
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:15 am Post subject:
Re: LPC2101 development kit, which one? |
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In article <juump1h3cb96oa6d71t431d0j52oqvrnf0@4ax.com>,
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat says...
| Quote: | On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:40:56 +0000, the renowned Chris Hills
chris@phaedsys.org> wrote:
In article <qqklp191u2e67ch67klpta8473e080753q@4ax.com>, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> writes
On 9 Dec 2005 21:47:13 -0800, the renowned "An Schwob in the USA"
schwobus@aol.com> wrote:
Sam,
don't knwo where you are but Joerg is in the USA. As a consultant $249
is a few hours worth of time, never ever is it possible to make this
kind of enviroment using such short
time. On top of it you save hours debugging the first project.
Yes, $250 US is nothing. I think Keil is based on the GCC compiler,
but you're also getting their installation script, their simulator,
debugger, IDE, the board and the USB JTAG box. Impulse purchase
territory.
At one time Keil did an IDE (uVision) and simulator with an GCC
compiler. Then they did their own ARM7 C compiler. Which was up to their
usual standard.
Ah, okay.
Now Keil is owned by ARM.
So I heard. Now, what happens to Realview? And does it matter?
If you want C++, you go to RealView, the Keil compiler doesn't support |
it.
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Alex Gibson
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:14 pm Post subject:
Re: LPC2101 development kit, which one? |
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"Chris Hills" <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
news:bjkE77DIe2mDFAW8@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
| Quote: | In article <qqklp191u2e67ch67klpta8473e080753q@4ax.com>, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> writes
On 9 Dec 2005 21:47:13 -0800, the renowned "An Schwob in the USA"
schwobus@aol.com> wrote:
Sam,
don't knwo where you are but Joerg is in the USA. As a consultant $249
is a few hours worth of time, never ever is it possible to make this
kind of enviroment using such short
time. On top of it you save hours debugging the first project.
Yes, $250 US is nothing. I think Keil is based on the GCC compiler,
but you're also getting their installation script, their simulator,
debugger, IDE, the board and the USB JTAG box. Impulse purchase
territory.
At one time Keil did an IDE (uVision) and simulator with an GCC
compiler. Then they did their own ARM7 C compiler. Which was up to their
usual standard.
Now Keil is owned by ARM.
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They still give the option to install arm gcc as well
for those of us that need more than 16k but can't afford the full version
for our own home projects (or work for tight bosses).
The keil ide and compiler hands down beats all others (Rowley by a nose)
but unfortunately is windows only.
Some recent work has been stipulated as all tools
must be available/run natively on linux.
So arm gcc and xilinx webpack not keil or altera.
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Alex Gibson
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:15 pm Post subject:
Re: LPC2101 development kit, which one? |
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"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
news:Fmslf.32100$tV6.4515@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
| Quote: | Hello Folks,
The Philips ARM series had been out of my price range but the LPC2101
finally seems to be in reach, meaning under $2 in quantity. Now if one
wants to try it out which kit would work? I'd have no problem if it was
for another one of the ARM chips as they seem to be quite compatible.
The only kit for the lower number parts I found at Digikey was the KS2106
LPC210x Kickstart kit. It is listed to be for the LPC2104 through 2106.
Unfortunately there is no data sheet on it and the IAR site doesn't find
it. What I'd need for kicking the tires would be the IAR suite or
something similar, a small experimental board (which seems to be in that
kit) and a USB programmer (no word about that one).
Does anyone use this KS2106 kit? Is it the complete deal to get started?
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com
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Cheapest dev kit so far I've seen is from futurlec
US$24.90 for the processor module , US$22.90 for base board
http://www.futurlec.com/ET-ARM_Stamp.shtml
http://www.futurlec.com/ET-ARM_Stamp_Board.shtml
The ks2106 is made by olimex for iar.
Its okay.
Keil software is a lot lot nicer and hasn't crashed on me yet.
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Joerg
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:15 am Post subject:
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Hello Alex,
Thanks! That's the kind of stuff I was looking for. AFAIK there is a
trial pack from Keil with a limited code size to try it out.
Regards, Joerg
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