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by **Guest** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:34 am

Hi all,

I have 5 desktop machines running a mix of Linux and XP on my network
at home. Two are wired the rest are wireless (g). Am thinking about
adding a Network storage unit, firstly does anyone have any
suggestions.. something not too expensive.

I am also contemplating wifi or not, moving data (5mp pictures etc.)
round could be really slow when going wireless even if it's 54Mbps.

Would appreciate any feedback on brands/models etc that anyone has
experience with. I have a new 300G Maxtor IDE that I could put into
whatever new enclosure I buy for starters.

Thanks,

Kevin

by **Clive** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:15 am

<kebuchan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1135017282.593037.16770@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Hi all,

I have 5 desktop machines running a mix of Linux and XP on my network
at home. Two are wired the rest are wireless (g). Am thinking about
adding a Network storage unit, firstly does anyone have any
suggestions.. something not too expensive.

I am also contemplating wifi or not, moving data (5mp pictures etc.)
round could be really slow when going wireless even if it's 54Mbps.

Would appreciate any feedback on brands/models etc that anyone has
experience with. I have a new 300G Maxtor IDE that I could put into
whatever new enclosure I buy for starters.

I've had my Netgear SC100 for about 2 weeks now

http://www.netgear.co.uk/digital_home_sc101.php

You need the latest firmware, but I've had no trouble with it. Paid £70 for
it.

doesn't come with any drives and you need to check the Netgear site for a
list of compatable drives,

Looking through Netgears forum, most of the problems people have with these
units seem to stme from not using any of the drives on the 'tested' list

Clive

by **Rod Speed** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:16 am

kebuchan@yahoo.com wrote:

I have 5 desktop machines running a mix of Linux and XP on my
network at home. Two are wired the rest are wireless (g). Am
thinking about adding a Network storage unit, firstly does anyone
have any suggestions.. something not too expensive.

Its still generally best to have that on one of the
PC or if that isnt practical, on a separate PC.

The non PC approach is still rather immature.

I am also contemplating wifi or not, moving data (5mp pictures etc.)
round could be really slow when going wireless even if it's 54Mbps.

Would appreciate any feedback on brands/models etc that
anyone has experience with. I have a new 300G Maxtor IDE
that I could put into whatever new enclosure I buy for starters.

by **Mike Redrobe** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:16 am

kebuchan@yahoo.com wrote:

I have 5 desktop machines running a mix of Linux and XP on my network
at home. Two are wired the rest are wireless (g). Am thinking about
adding a Network storage unit, firstly does anyone have any
suggestions.. something not too expensive.

I am also contemplating wifi or not, moving data (5mp pictures etc.)
round could be really slow when going wireless even if it's 54Mbps.

Would appreciate any feedback on brands/models etc that anyone has
experience with. I have a new 300G Maxtor IDE that I could put into
whatever new enclosure I buy for starters.

Most (cheap) external drives seem to suffer from poor or non-existant
cooling, and no shockproofing.

The modern trend to have them "stood up" vertically just adds to the
danger of drive damage - do you trust your data after the has falen
flat whilst spun up?

....and you can't easily monitor drive temperatures, as SMART doesn't
work on external drives...

Use an old slow PC as a file server, its less likely to be knocked
off the desk, have better cooling and better performance than many
of the cheaper network storage units.

--
Mike

by **CJT** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:16 am

Clive wrote:

kebuchan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1135017282.593037.16770@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Hi all,

I have 5 desktop machines running a mix of Linux and XP on my network
at home. Two are wired the rest are wireless (g). Am thinking about
adding a Network storage unit, firstly does anyone have any
suggestions.. something not too expensive.

I am also contemplating wifi or not, moving data (5mp pictures etc.)
round could be really slow when going wireless even if it's 54Mbps.

Would appreciate any feedback on brands/models etc that anyone has
experience with. I have a new 300G Maxtor IDE that I could put into
whatever new enclosure I buy for starters.

I've had my Netgear SC100 for about 2 weeks now

http://www.netgear.co.uk/digital_home_sc101.php

You need the latest firmware, but I've had no trouble with it. Paid £70 for
it.

doesn't come with any drives and you need to check the Netgear site for a
list of compatable drives,

Looking through Netgears forum, most of the problems people have with these
units seem to stme from not using any of the drives on the 'tested' list

Clive

I clicked on the "Datasheet" and read what they say about "True SAN."

It looks like baloney to me. Compare this:

http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/Redbooks.ns ... .html?Open

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by **Rod Speed** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:16 am

Clive <someone@nospam.com> wrote:

kebuchan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1135017282.593037.16770@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hi all,

I have 5 desktop machines running a mix of Linux and XP on my network
at home. Two are wired the rest are wireless (g). Am thinking about
adding a Network storage unit, firstly does anyone have any
suggestions.. something not too expensive.

I am also contemplating wifi or not, moving data (5mp pictures etc.)
round could be really slow when going wireless even if it's 54Mbps.

Would appreciate any feedback on brands/models etc that anyone has
experience with. I have a new 300G Maxtor IDE that I could put into
whatever new enclosure I buy for starters.

I've had my Netgear SC100 for about 2 weeks now

http://www.netgear.co.uk/digital_home_sc101.php

You need the latest firmware, but I've had no trouble with it. Paid £70 for
it.

doesn't come with any drives and you need to check the Netgear site for a list
of compatable drives,

Looking through Netgears forum, most of the problems people have with
these units seem to stme from not using any of the drives on the 'tested' list

It shouldnt be that fussy if it was properly designed in the first place.

by **Folkert Rienstra** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:15 am

"Mike Redrobe" <mike@redrobe.net> wrote in message news:O_Fpf.11865$iz3.10476@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk

kebuchan@yahoo.com wrote:
I have 5 desktop machines running a mix of Linux and XP on my network
at home. Two are wired the rest are wireless (g). Am thinking about
adding a Network storage unit, firstly does anyone have any
suggestions.. something not too expensive.

I am also contemplating wifi or not, moving data (5mp pictures etc.)
round could be really slow when going wireless even if it's 54Mbps.

Would appreciate any feedback on brands/models etc that anyone has
experience with. I have a new 300G Maxtor IDE that I could put into
whatever new enclosure I buy for starters.

Most (cheap) external drives seem to suffer from poor or non-existant
cooling, and no shockproofing.

The modern trend to have them "stood up" vertically just adds to the
danger of drive damage - do you trust your data after the has falen
flat whilst spun up?

...and you can't easily monitor drive temperatures, as SMART doesn't
work on external drives...

No? Why not?

Use an old slow PC as a file server, its less likely to be knocked
off the desk, have better cooling and better performance than many
of the cheaper network storage units.

by **Mike Redrobe** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:06 pm

Folkert Rienstra wrote:

"Mike Redrobe" <mike@redrobe.net> wrote in message

...and you can't easily monitor drive temperatures, as SMART doesn't
work on external drives...

No? Why not?

I'd gladly be proved wrong on that.
Do you know of any usb or network enclosures that have software to
query SMART temperature on the drives?

--
Mike

by **Eric Gisin** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:16 pm

"Folkert Rienstra" <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote in message
news:43a7bd04$0$47655$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...

...and you can't easily monitor drive temperatures, as SMART doesn't
work on external drives...

No? Why not?

Did you hurt your brain today, Folknuts?

by **Folkert Rienstra** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:00 pm

"Mike Redrobe" <mike@redrobe.net> wrote in message news:7JQpf.12016$iz3.6625@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk

Folkert Rienstra wrote:
"Mike Redrobe" <mike@redrobe.net> wrote in message

...and you can't easily monitor drive temperatures, as SMART doesn't
work on external drives...

No? Why not?

I'd gladly be proved wrong on that.
Do you know of any usb or network enclosures that have software to
query SMART temperature on the drives?

That wasn't the question.

by **Folkert Rienstra** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:03 pm

"Eric Gisin" <ericgisin@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:do97cl014nc@enews1.newsguy.com

"Folkert Rienstra" <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote in message news:43a7bd04$0$47655$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...

...and you can't easily monitor drive temperatures, as SMART doesn't
work on external drives...

No? Why not?

Did you hurt your brain today, Folknuts?

You obviously did. It's a valid question.
If he can't answer it, let see if you can.

by **Guest** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:11 am

Mike,

In your opinion, what's an Old PC? .... I have a couple of P2's sitting
around collecting dust. Any recommendations on OS? memory etc.?

Thanks!

by **Arno Wagner** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:16 am

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage kebuchan@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi all,

I have 5 desktop machines running a mix of Linux and XP on my network
at home. Two are wired the rest are wireless (g). Am thinking about
adding a Network storage unit, firstly does anyone have any
suggestions.. something not too expensive.

Use older hardware that you know is reliable. Say, a P2 200Mhz and
up. Use Linux and Samba.

I am also contemplating wifi or not, moving data (5mp pictures etc.)
round could be really slow when going wireless even if it's 54Mbps.

Haha, that is what they want you to believe. But it is 54Mbps for
_all_ stations combined, i.e. also only half-duplex. You can maybe
expect it to be as fast as 25Mbps Ethernet if you use it with just 2
computers.

Would appreciate any feedback on brands/models etc that anyone has
experience with. I have a new 300G Maxtor IDE that I could put into
whatever new enclosure I buy for starters.

I would advise to use RAID1 (disks are cheap). With Linux
software RAID is fine.

Arno

by **Arno Wagner** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:16 am

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Mike Redrobe <mike@redrobe.net> wrote:

Folkert Rienstra wrote:
"Mike Redrobe" <mike@redrobe.net> wrote in message

...and you can't easily monitor drive temperatures, as SMART doesn't
work on external drives...

No? Why not?

I'd gladly be proved wrong on that.
Do you know of any usb or network enclosures that have software to
query SMART temperature on the drives?

Look for the Linux-based ones that allow you a root-login. Of roll
your own. I agree that SMART monitoring is pretty critical for
reliable operation these days.

Arno

by **Rod Speed** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:16 am

Folkert Rienstra <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote

Mike Redrobe <mike@redrobe.net> wrote
Folkert Rienstra wrote
Mike Redrobe <mike@redrobe.net> wrote

...and you can't easily monitor drive temperatures,
as SMART doesn't work on external drives...

No? Why not?

I'd gladly be proved wrong on that.
Do you know of any usb or network enclosures that have
software to query SMART temperature on the drives?

That wasn't the question.

Pathetic, really.

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