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Andrew Reilly
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:01 pm Post subject:
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 05:11:33 -0800, hobold wrote:
| Quote: | Andrew Reilly wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:13:18 +0100, Terje Mathisen wrote:
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I know, but then I'd pay an Apple OS tax, right?
On a $500 box, you reckon?
It's still a nice Unix, anyway.
In fact, Apple provides their own X11 server with the OS, and there are
several projects that repackage open source software for easy istall on
OS X. My favourite is fink <http://fink.sourceforge.net/>, but there's
also darwinports <http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/>. They have sort
of joined forces <http://www.metapkg.org/>, but nothing tangible has
come out of that yet.
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I've been happily using the regular NetBSD pkgsrc tree for that sort of
thing, on my powerbook. <http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/pkgsrc/> It
would like a UFS partition, but will make do with a VNode-mapped file. I
have my hard-drive partitioned half HFS+ (for application and system
directories) and half UFS (for my user space and pkgsrc). Most stuff just
works. I'm posting from pan under up-to-the-minute GTK2 with a bluecurve
theme...
| Quote: | Administration does differ quite a bit from other unices, of course.
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Only to the extent that you hardly have to do anything :-)
If you pop open a terminal window, it all feels pretty much like FreeBSD
to me. The firewall is ipfw, apache is apache, ssh and scp, smbclient
work just fine... Gnuplot had trouble with the PDFlib dependency, but I
can live without that.
I'll stop ranting now :-)
Cheers,
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Andrew |
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myren, lord
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 6:47 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Yes. Unfortunately it is more expensive to _not_ pay the Apple tax. The
G4 based hardware available from smaller vendors is more expensive than
the Mac mini. If it has to be less than $500, a used Mac is the only
option. That would be fairly dated hardware, though, because Macs tend
to have comparably high resale prices.
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the embedded niche's ability to flat out deny the existance of markets
always blows my mind. i really cannot fathom how people get away with
charging the inordinate amount of money they do for such slow hardware,
simply for being some alternative architecture. there are a bunch of
powerpc systems small vendors sell for like $750, which is more than the
mac mini for 1/3 the performance in a lot of cases. similar effect for
portable markets...
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Joseph Seigh
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:02 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 20:47:05 -0500, myren, lord <thefowle@wam.umd.edu> wrote:
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Yes. Unfortunately it is more expensive to _not_ pay the Apple tax. The
G4 based hardware available from smaller vendors is more expensive than
the Mac mini. If it has to be less than $500, a used Mac is the only
option. That would be fairly dated hardware, though, because Macs tend
to have comparably high resale prices.
the embedded niche's ability to flat out deny the existance of markets
always blows my mind. i really cannot fathom how people get away with
charging the inordinate amount of money they do for such slow hardware,
simply for being some alternative architecture. there are a bunch of
powerpc systems small vendors sell for like $750, which is more than the
mac mini for 1/3 the performance in a lot of cases. similar effect for
portable markets...
That's sort of oldschool mentality. They don't have any automation so their |
overhead is much higher per unit, so unless you are talking about 100's or
1000's, they don't want to hear from you. That sort of cuts out all those
discount resellers who do just in time inventory to keep their costs down
and probably only order 5 to 10 at a time. This is all ironic since they're
in the computer business and aren't even automated. There's probably some sales
guy in an office who does business over the phone and mails out hardcopy
brochures. You can sometimes tell when their website seems rather primitive
and has little information apart from pdf files made from the scanned in
hardcopy brochures.
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israel t
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 7:55 am Post subject:
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Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@hda.hydro.com> writes:
| Quote: | The OpenPower 710 will have a starting price of $3,449 (excluding
operating system) and includes a 1.65 GHz processor, one gigabyte
(GB) memory, 73GB 10K rpm disk drive, DVD-ROM and three-year,
next-business-day warranty.
That's pretty good actually, let me compare with a 64-bit Dell...
Dual 2.8 GHz cpus, one GB RAM, 73 GB 10K SCSI, DVD and three-year
premium warranty/service:
$2500, of which $659 is for the extended warranty.
If I could make do with a single cpu and the regular one year
warranty, it would drop to $1450, or about $1100 using SATA instead of
SCSI.
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I guess that is why IBM sold off their PC division.
Simply could not compete on price. |
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