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Toolmann
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 5:11 am    Post subject: HP StorageWorks AIT2 50/100GB Reply with quote

I am unable to achieve much more then 1.2:1 compression ratio on my
backups. I run Windows 2000 and use Veritas Backup Exec 9.1 and a
mixture of Compaq 50/100 and Sony SDX2-50C 50/100 tapes. I have tried
compression settings of "hardware first, then software" as well as
"software only".

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Maxim S. Shatskih
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 5:43 am    Post subject: Re: HP StorageWorks AIT2 50/100GB Reply with quote

Maybe you backup uncompressable data?

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"Toolmann" <davidrearly@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I am unable to achieve much more then 1.2:1 compression ratio on my
backups. I run Windows 2000 and use Veritas Backup Exec 9.1 and a
mixture of Compaq 50/100 and Sony SDX2-50C 50/100 tapes. I have tried
compression settings of "hardware first, then software" as well as
"software only".

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Toolmann
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: HP StorageWorks AIT2 50/100GB Reply with quote

I am backing up a mixture of MS Office documents, PDF's and pictures.
I think I should expect a little better compression such as 1.5:1 but
maybe I am wrong.
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RPR
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:26 pm    Post subject: Re: HP StorageWorks AIT2 50/100GB Reply with quote

Compression on tape drives is a lot harder than software compression a
la ZIP. It has to be done in real time, and every block has to be
compressed separately so you can access it individually. As a result,
the compression factors are lower than what you're used to.
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Maxim S. Shatskih
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:28 pm    Post subject: Re: HP StorageWorks AIT2 50/100GB Reply with quote

PDF is very bad in terms of compression.

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StorageCraft Corporation
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"Toolmann" <davidrearly@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I am backing up a mixture of MS Office documents, PDF's and pictures.
I think I should expect a little better compression such as 1.5:1 but
maybe I am wrong.
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Maxim S. Shatskih
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:33 pm    Post subject: Re: HP StorageWorks AIT2 50/100GB Reply with quote

Quote:
Compression on tape drives is a lot harder than software compression a
la ZIP. It has to be done in real time,

Yes, and also memory is usually scarse. You cannot run PPM algorithm on a
drive, and I even have doubts you can run BWT there (due to unpredictable time
degradation on "bad" data). So, only LZ, which is the bad algorithm for any
well-compressable data.

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Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
StorageCraft Corporation
maxim@storagecraft.com
http://www.storagecraft.com
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RPR
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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:42 am    Post subject: Re: HP StorageWorks AIT2 50/100GB Reply with quote

PPM or BWT sure would be cool but I don't think anybody has designed
silicon for them (yet?). LZ seems like the only game in town today.
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Anton Rang
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:20 pm    Post subject: Re: HP StorageWorks AIT2 50/100GB Reply with quote

"Maxim S. Shatskih" <maxim@storagecraft.com> writes:

Quote:
Compression on tape drives is a lot harder than software compression a
la ZIP. It has to be done in real time,

Yes, and also memory is usually scarse. You cannot run PPM algorithm on a
drive, and I even have doubts you can run BWT there (due to unpredictable time
degradation on "bad" data). So, only LZ, which is the bad algorithm for any
well-compressable data.

The ALDC (Adaptive Lossless Data Compression) algorithm is an ECMA standard:

http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST/Ecma-222.pdf

It uses a history buffer no larger than 2K, so even as LZ compressors go, it's
very modest.

-- Anton
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