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flux
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Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:10 am Post subject:
Re: What am I doing wrong ??? Or is Adaptec 21610SA just a c |
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In article <vomvr0hor8tpb6ohuekci45thl8o8ii7fa@4ax.com>,
Malcolm Weir <malc@gelt.org> wrote:
| Quote: | Evidently. However, idiot, take a look at the subject line, and ask
yourself the question "What is an Adaptec 21610SA?" and recall who
claimed that the performance of S-ATA was sufficient for gigabit
ethernet?
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It is not?
| Quote: | So where is it in actual use?
Well, back in 1998 (i.e. before the standard was finalized), we used
it as a data collection channel for a test cell of a satellite sensor.
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So that is why Dell is putting it in laptops.
| Quote: | Yup. Your task, now, is to show that CompUSA (and every other store)
is just stupid and no-one is buying the stuff.
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Logic?
| Quote: | P.s. Yeshiva Uni: not noted for its technical programs...
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Huh? |
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J. Clarke
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Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:53 am Post subject:
Re: What am I doing wrong ??? Or is Adaptec 21610SA just a c |
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flux wrote:
| Quote: | In article <3jmvr0tuh4queai31o8k2o2u81g91kpsjf@4ax.com>,
Malcolm Weir <malc@gelt.org> wrote:
That makes it less recent?
No, it shows your stupidity!
Because it is not recent?
Is this a magic trick? Can you tell us how that actually works?
No magic, just some elementary knowledge, which you obviously lack.
Here's how:
1. Take a large database. I'll assume something SQL based for the
sake of argument, but that only impacts the details, not the
principle.
2. Do something like "SELECT AVG(some_numeric_field) FROM
some_large_table;"
3. That's it. The database engine will read the entire table.
And that is supposed to transverse the 2400 baud network?
You've just shown massive ignorance!
The AVG() function, as anyone with half a clue would guess, returns
the average.
So all that will "transverse" (you meant "traverse") the 2400 baud
link is ONE number, which is the average of (maybe) several million
values.
No, how is the ENTIRE TABLE suppose to transverse the network? I thought
this was about network throughput.
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Well, now, if you look at the names of the newsgroups to which this is
posted, I think you will find that _storage_ throughput is more likely to
be the topic of interest.
| Quote: | Correct misinformation with information.
You've utterly failed to do that!
Apparently.
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--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Curious George
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Thu Dec 16, 2004 12:23 pm Post subject:
Re: What am I doing wrong ??? Or is Adaptec 21610SA just a c |
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On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 07:14:51 GMT, flux <support@fluxsoft.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <s8ltq09m5arcc6vfhthdj5gh242rk0j9mc@4ax.com>,
Malcolm Weir <malc@gelt.org> wrote:
Now, has it dawned on you that even the most rudimentary of network
servers has multiple NICs? Why do you think that is? Are server
manufacturers silly?
That's a very recent developlment. Even gigabit is relatively recent.
I strongly suspect that all your experience has been with the trivial
case, where you have (at most) a few file-sharing clients on a
network. In these case, you are right. But there's no money in that
market, since any fool can build such a system.
What other market is there?
Where *hard* problems are, at least for those of us in
comp.arch.storage, it is assumed that the network problem is already
solved. Need 10GB/sec of network bandwidth and don't have a 10G
Ethernet? Simply trunk 10 1000BaseT nets to your switch! Cisco (and
the like) can handle that part of the problem.
Again, this sounds very rare. Where are there disks fast enough to
saturate this much Ethernet?
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Is he for real? |
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flux
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Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:38 pm Post subject:
Re: What am I doing wrong ??? Or is Adaptec 21610SA just a c |
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In article <fqd2s0hgu4o2mvk9p9ogs1e8srjan6vh9a@4ax.com>,
Curious George <cg@email.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 07:14:51 GMT, flux <support@fluxsoft.com> wrote:
In article <s8ltq09m5arcc6vfhthdj5gh242rk0j9mc@4ax.com>,
Malcolm Weir <malc@gelt.org> wrote:
Now, has it dawned on you that even the most rudimentary of network
servers has multiple NICs? Why do you think that is? Are server
manufacturers silly?
That's a very recent developlment. Even gigabit is relatively recent.
I strongly suspect that all your experience has been with the trivial
case, where you have (at most) a few file-sharing clients on a
network. In these case, you are right. But there's no money in that
market, since any fool can build such a system.
What other market is there?
Where *hard* problems are, at least for those of us in
comp.arch.storage, it is assumed that the network problem is already
solved. Need 10GB/sec of network bandwidth and don't have a 10G
Ethernet? Simply trunk 10 1000BaseT nets to your switch! Cisco (and
the like) can handle that part of the problem.
Again, this sounds very rare. Where are there disks fast enough to
saturate this much Ethernet?
Is he for real?
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About as real as those disks. |
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J. Clarke
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Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:34 pm Post subject:
Re: What am I doing wrong ??? Or is Adaptec 21610SA just a c |
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flux wrote:
| Quote: | In article <fqd2s0hgu4o2mvk9p9ogs1e8srjan6vh9a@4ax.com>,
Curious George <cg@email.net> wrote:
On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 07:14:51 GMT, flux <support@fluxsoft.com> wrote:
In article <s8ltq09m5arcc6vfhthdj5gh242rk0j9mc@4ax.com>,
Malcolm Weir <malc@gelt.org> wrote:
Now, has it dawned on you that even the most rudimentary of network
servers has multiple NICs? Why do you think that is? Are server
manufacturers silly?
That's a very recent developlment. Even gigabit is relatively recent.
I strongly suspect that all your experience has been with the trivial
case, where you have (at most) a few file-sharing clients on a
network. In these case, you are right. But there's no money in that
market, since any fool can build such a system.
What other market is there?
Where *hard* problems are, at least for those of us in
comp.arch.storage, it is assumed that the network problem is already
solved. Need 10GB/sec of network bandwidth and don't have a 10G
Ethernet? Simply trunk 10 1000BaseT nets to your switch! Cisco (and
the like) can handle that part of the problem.
Again, this sounds very rare. Where are there disks fast enough to
saturate this much Ethernet?
Is he for real?
About as real as those disks.
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Then you must be very real.
The fact that it is inconceivable to you that it is possible to put together
a storage system that can support transfer rates that exceed that of 10
GB/sec Ethernet does not mean that it is impossible or even very difficult.
You're having this discussion on two storage-related newsgroups, one of
which is frequented by the people who design and maintain systems for large
commercial datacenters which may have tens of thousands of drives online at
any given time and for whom bandwidth is one of the primary focuses. 10
gig Ethernet was originally developed to meet the needs of such
datacenters, when 1 gig proved to be inadequate to their needs.
You should have been able to figure that out for yourself.
Meanwhile, I've decided that even reading your posts is a waste of my
time--for a while they were amusing but now they're just boring.
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Malcolm Weir
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Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:29 pm Post subject:
Re: What am I doing wrong ??? Or is Adaptec 21610SA just a c |
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:10:30 GMT, flux <support@fluxsoft.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <vomvr0hor8tpb6ohuekci45thl8o8ii7fa@4ax.com>,
Malcolm Weir <malc@gelt.org> wrote:
Evidently. However, idiot, take a look at the subject line, and ask
yourself the question "What is an Adaptec 21610SA?" and recall who
claimed that the performance of S-ATA was sufficient for gigabit
ethernet?
It is not?
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No. As has been demonstrated.
| Quote: | So where is it in actual use?
Well, back in 1998 (i.e. before the standard was finalized), we used
it as a data collection channel for a test cell of a satellite sensor.
So that is why Dell is putting it in laptops.
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Check a calendar, you idiot! But I'm glad you've realized that Dell
*is* putting it in laptops in 2004.
| Quote: | Yup. Your task, now, is to show that CompUSA (and every other store)
is just stupid and no-one is buying the stuff.
Logic?
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Yes, you need some.
You want to try to argue that the fact that 1000BaseT is a commodity
available in consumer stores has no relevance. Go ahead. Argue it.
That's the logic that *you* need.
I (and others) have presented vast amounts of information that
supports the contention that you are too dumb to accept. You, if you
want to be taken seriously, not as a some dumb kid playing with toys,
now need to *refute* the implications of the information we have
provided you.
| Quote: | P.s. Yeshiva Uni: not noted for its technical programs...
Huh?
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Quite.
Try learning something, kid.
And what do you do for a living, for the third time? Out of junior
high, yet?
Malc. |
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Malcolm Weir
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Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:34 pm Post subject:
Re: What am I doing wrong ??? Or is Adaptec 21610SA just a c |
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:06:56 GMT, flux <support@fluxsoft.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <3jmvr0tuh4queai31o8k2o2u81g91kpsjf@4ax.com>,
Malcolm Weir <malc@gelt.org> wrote:
That makes it less recent?
No, it shows your stupidity!
Because it is not recent?
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And you have temerity to "question" logic!
| Quote: | Is this a magic trick? Can you tell us how that actually works?
No magic, just some elementary knowledge, which you obviously lack.
Here's how:
1. Take a large database. I'll assume something SQL based for the>> sake
of argument, but that only impacts the details, not the
principle.
2. Do something like "SELECT AVG(some_numeric_field) FROM
some_large_table;"
3. That's it. The database engine will read the entire table.
And that is supposed to transverse the 2400 baud network?
You've just shown massive ignorance!
The AVG() function, as anyone with half a clue would guess, returns
the average.
So all that will "transverse" (you meant "traverse") the 2400 baud
link is ONE number, which is the average of (maybe) several million
values.
No, how is the ENTIRE TABLE suppose to transverse the network?
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It doesn't. Only a complete moron would do that. And you still mean
"traverse".
| Quote: | I thought
this was about network throughput.
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That's because you are stupid. Hint: what newgroups is this in? Does
the word "storage" mean anything to you?
It's about *disk* throughput, and the (elementary, but still beyond
you) fact that disk traffic is often orders of magnitude *greater*
than network throughput.
I know you've almost certainly forgotten this, but we've established
that your a silly little boy playing with toys he doesn't understand.
| Quote: | Correct misinformation with information.
You've utterly failed to do that!
Apparently.
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I'm glad you're beginning to understand your limitations.
Malc. |
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Curious George
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Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:43 am Post subject:
Re: What am I doing wrong ??? Or is Adaptec 21610SA just a c |
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:38:26 GMT, flux <support@fluxsoft.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <fqd2s0hgu4o2mvk9p9ogs1e8srjan6vh9a@4ax.com>,
Curious George <cg@email.net> wrote:
On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 07:14:51 GMT, flux <support@fluxsoft.com> wrote:
In article <s8ltq09m5arcc6vfhthdj5gh242rk0j9mc@4ax.com>,
Malcolm Weir <malc@gelt.org> wrote:
Now, has it dawned on you that even the most rudimentary of network
servers has multiple NICs? Why do you think that is? Are server
manufacturers silly?
That's a very recent developlment. Even gigabit is relatively recent.
I strongly suspect that all your experience has been with the trivial
case, where you have (at most) a few file-sharing clients on a
network. In these case, you are right. But there's no money in that
market, since any fool can build such a system.
What other market is there?
Where *hard* problems are, at least for those of us in
comp.arch.storage, it is assumed that the network problem is already
solved. Need 10GB/sec of network bandwidth and don't have a 10G
Ethernet? Simply trunk 10 1000BaseT nets to your switch! Cisco (and
the like) can handle that part of the problem.
Again, this sounds very rare. Where are there disks fast enough to
saturate this much Ethernet?
Is he for real?
About as real as those disks.
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ROFLOL.
sigh.
Maybe I'm missing something but why is everyone humoring this drivel?
He very clearly contends over & over that nothing exists outside out
of a small home network, and even that he barely understands. |
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flux
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Fri Dec 17, 2004 9:50 am Post subject:
Re: What am I doing wrong ??? Or is Adaptec 21610SA just a c |
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In article <v9h3s0tdk8r5r8cfb3v44ao1d6etd4ud7a@4ax.com>,
Malcolm Weir <malc@gelt.org> wrote:
| Quote: | No. As has been demonstrated.
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Where is this demonstration?
| Quote: | So where is it in actual use?
Well, back in 1998 (i.e. before the standard was finalized), we used
it as a data collection channel for a test cell of a satellite sensor.
So that is why Dell is putting it in laptops.
Check a calendar, you idiot! But I'm glad you've realized that Dell
*is* putting it in laptops in 2004.
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Logic?
| Quote: | Yup. Your task, now, is to show that CompUSA (and every other store)
is just stupid and no-one is buying the stuff.
Logic?
Yes, you need some.
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Where is it? The logic?
| Quote: | You want to try to argue that the fact that 1000BaseT is a commodity
available in consumer stores has no relevance. Go ahead. Argue it.
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I already have.
| Quote: | That's the logic that *you* need.
I (and others) have presented vast amounts of information that
supports the contention that you are too dumb to accept.
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And you are going to post this?
| Quote: | now need to *refute* the implications of the information we have
provided you.
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The only thing I've seen is something about gigabit and 1999, which
doesn't seem to have any relevance to your argument. What exactly is
your argument?
| Quote: | P.s. Yeshiva Uni: not noted for its technical programs...
Huh?
Quite.
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Huh? |
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flux
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Fri Dec 17, 2004 9:52 am Post subject:
Re: What am I doing wrong ??? Or is Adaptec 21610SA just a c |
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In article <cpsbej0njj@news4.newsguy.com>,
"J. Clarke" <jclarke@nospam.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | a storage system that can support transfer rates that exceed that of 10
GB/sec Ethernet does not mean that it is impossible or even very difficult.
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I don't even think they can do on Star Trek. |
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Curious George
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Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:06 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 04:52:32 GMT, flux <support@fluxsoft.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I don't even think they can do on Star Trek.
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You should really quit while you're behind. Or rather how 'bout
looking through some other threads in this group? You're in the wrong
group to make posts dependant on knowledge drawn from cursory
experience with an off the shelf pee cee or two. Your
misunderstandings are really too numerous to deal with point by point-
and really why should anyone provide a free education to someone as a
reward for being a snot?
<reality check>
PPL have been responding out of annoyance not bc you are an equal they
are compelled to debate.
</reality check>
Unless the other explanation applies:
a bunch of very smart ppl got taken in by a really pathetic style
of troll; blinded by their exasperation & irritation.
Either way methinks its about time to stop feeding this village idiot.
*plonk* |
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Malcolm Weir
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Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:21 pm Post subject:
Re: What am I doing wrong ??? Or is Adaptec 21610SA just a c |
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 04:50:48 GMT, flux <support@fluxsoft.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <v9h3s0tdk8r5r8cfb3v44ao1d6etd4ud7a@4ax.com>,
Malcolm Weir <malc@gelt.org> wrote:
No. As has been demonstrated.
Where is this demonstration?
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Earlier in the thread. Go back and read it, you idiot!
| Quote: | So where is it in actual use?
Well, back in 1998 (i.e. before the standard was finalized), we used
it as a data collection channel for a test cell of a satellite sensor.
So that is why Dell is putting it in laptops.
Check a calendar, you idiot! But I'm glad you've realized that Dell
*is* putting it in laptops in 2004.
Logic?
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Your aggressive stupidity is truly remarkable. Not laudable, mind,
but remarkable.
You seem very fond of this "logic?" response, as if it means
something.
Still:
In 1998, we (i.e. a group of professionals, not school kids) used it
for a given purpose (see above). You tried to extrapolate that usage
(from 1998) to Dell's inclusion of a feature in a laptop in 2004.
There is no connection between the two. But you tried to (bogusly)
make one.
| Quote: | Yup. Your task, now, is to show that CompUSA (and every other store)
is just stupid and no-one is buying the stuff.
Logic?
Yes, you need some.
Where is it? The logic?
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Right there, above. Can you not read English? Retail outlets are
including this feature... why?
You've offered no explanation *why* CompUSA (et al) do this. I have.
You now need to use some "logic" to explain why *my* explanation is
faulty, and *yours* (as yet missing) is not.
Do it, flux-boy.
| Quote: | You want to try to argue that the fact that 1000BaseT is a commodity
available in consumer stores has no relevance. Go ahead. Argue it.
I already have.
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No, you haven't. Don't lie. It makes you look even sillier than the
rest of your posting!
| Quote: | That's the logic that *you* need.
I (and others) have presented vast amounts of information that
supports the contention that you are too dumb to accept.
And you are going to post this?
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Obviously you are unfamiliar with the English language. Check the
tense, boy.
| Quote: | now need to *refute* the implications of the information we have
provided you.
The only thing I've seen is something about gigabit and 1999, which
doesn't seem to have any relevance to your argument. What exactly is
your argument?
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Go back and read it, dimwit!
You claimed a given technology is "new". I've shown it isn't.
| Quote: | P.s. Yeshiva Uni: not noted for its technical programs...
Huh?
Quite.
Huh?
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Repeating yourself like some demented parrot fails to improve the
content.
You know the significance, laddy.
Malc. |
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Malcolm Weir
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Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:21 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 04:52:32 GMT, flux <support@fluxsoft.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <cpsbej0njj@news4.newsguy.com>,
"J. Clarke" <jclarke@nospam.invalid> wrote:
a storage system that can support transfer rates that exceed that of 10
GB/sec Ethernet does not mean that it is impossible or even very difficult.
I don't even think they can do on Star Trek.
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You're wrong.
Malc. |
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Folkert Rienstra
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Fri Dec 17, 2004 9:47 pm Post subject:
Re: What am I doing wrong ??? Or is Adaptec 21610SA just a c |
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"Curious George" <cg@email.net> wrote in message news:b8a4s01c09mg3pn6n9o0ptgkve4bcmtecp@4ax.com
| Quote: | On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:38:26 GMT, flux <support@fluxsoft.com> wrote:
In article <fqd2s0hgu4o2mvk9p9ogs1e8srjan6vh9a@4ax.com>,
Curious George <cg@email.net> wrote:
On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 07:14:51 GMT, flux <support@fluxsoft.com> wrote:
In article <s8ltq09m5arcc6vfhthdj5gh242rk0j9mc@4ax.com>,
Malcolm Weir <malc@gelt.org> wrote:
Now, has it dawned on you that even the most rudimentary of network
servers has multiple NICs? Why do you think that is? Are server
manufacturers silly?
That's a very recent development. Even gigabit is relatively recent.
I strongly suspect that all your experience has been with the trivial
case, where you have (at most) a few file-sharing clients on a
network. In these case, you are right. But there's no money in that
market, since any fool can build such a system.
What other market is there?
Where *hard* problems are, at least for those of us in
comp.arch.storage, it is assumed that the network problem is already
solved. Need 10GB/sec of network bandwidth and don't have a 10G
Ethernet? Simply trunk 10 1000BaseT nets to your switch! Cisco (and
the like) can handle that part of the problem.
Again, this sounds very rare. Where are there disks fast enough to
saturate this much Ethernet?
Is he for real?
About as real as those disks.
ROFLOL.
sigh.
Maybe I'm missing something but why is everyone humoring this drivel?
He very clearly contends over & over that nothing exists outside out
of a small home network, and even that he barely understands.
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flux
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 7:57 am Post subject:
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In article <kn55s0peu9b5k490urhi8bqtpnqsf8mtp0@4ax.com>,
Malcolm Weir <malc@gelt.org> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 04:52:32 GMT, flux <support@fluxsoft.com> wrote:
In article <cpsbej0njj@news4.newsguy.com>,
"J. Clarke" <jclarke@nospam.invalid> wrote:
a storage system that can support transfer rates that exceed that of 10
GB/sec Ethernet does not mean that it is impossible or even very difficult.
I don't even think they can do on Star Trek.
You're wrong.
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Actually, they are using modems. |
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