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Johnson Liuis
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:56 am    Post subject: Want insight on Compact Flash Standard Reply with quote
The compactflash standard a( or compactflash + standard which is more
appropriate), is a standard for the ultra-small, removable data storage
system and additional card functionality including magnetic disk drive data
storage and I/O cards such as ethernet, serial, fax/modem, digital phone
card, USB, barcode scanner, Bluetooth, 802.11b wireless LAN, wireless
digital cell phone cards, etc.
http://www.compactflash.org/

For now the compactflash peripherals seem quite popular for PDA device, like
PCMCIA for a few years ago, despite they are very similar.

I would like to get your opinions on the following questions:
Do you think in the next couple of years, the compactflash standard is
likely to get more popular, or to become obsolete and being replaced by
another standard? Do you know any opponents of CF standard, either current
or potential, can replace CF standard in the future?

It is a very open-mind question, and any opinion will be highly regarded.

Thanks.

Johnson
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Guest
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 5:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Want insight on Compact Flash Standard Reply with quote
Quote:
I would like to get your opinions on the following questions:
Do you think in the next couple of years, the compactflash standard
is
likely to get more popular, or to become obsolete and being replaced
by
another standard? Do you know any opponents of CF standard, either
current
or potential, can replace CF standard in the future?

It seems to me that the USB memory stick will be the prevalent memory
device in the coming five or ten years. CF has too many pins, which
makes it more expensive and more vulnerable. Also USB will fit
anywhere, while CF will always need special add-ons. CF was good for
digital cameras, but there it is now replaced by SD-Cards. I would'nt
expect any substantial growth for CF.
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Johnson Liuis
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Want insight on Compact Flash Standard Reply with quote
Nice view!

<mike102de@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1103285240.975733.226440@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
I would like to get your opinions on the following questions:
Do you think in the next couple of years, the compactflash standard
is
likely to get more popular, or to become obsolete and being replaced
by
another standard? Do you know any opponents of CF standard, either
current
or potential, can replace CF standard in the future?

It seems to me that the USB memory stick will be the prevalent memory
device in the coming five or ten years. CF has too many pins, which
makes it more expensive and more vulnerable. Also USB will fit
anywhere, while CF will always need special add-ons. CF was good for
digital cameras, but there it is now replaced by SD-Cards. I would'nt
expect any substantial growth for CF.
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Johnson Liuis
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Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:16 am    Post subject: Re: Want insight on Compact Flash Standard Reply with quote
Hello, Mike,

Could you please let me know why most of current PDAs do not support USB
port?

Thanks.

Johnson


<mike102de@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
I would like to get your opinions on the following questions:
Do you think in the next couple of years, the compactflash standard
is
likely to get more popular, or to become obsolete and being replaced
by
another standard? Do you know any opponents of CF standard, either
current
or potential, can replace CF standard in the future?

It seems to me that the USB memory stick will be the prevalent memory
device in the coming five or ten years. CF has too many pins, which
makes it more expensive and more vulnerable. Also USB will fit
anywhere, while CF will always need special add-ons. CF was good for
digital cameras, but there it is now replaced by SD-Cards. I would'nt
expect any substantial growth for CF.
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hamilton
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Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: Want insight on Compact Flash Standard Reply with quote
Johnson Liuis wrote:

Quote:
Could you please let me know why most of current PDAs do not support USB
port?

Thanks.

Johnson


Johnson,

This is the type of question that is asked by someone who has never
looked into what a USB anything is.

So a simple answer:

USB is a master / slave interface.

The PC/MAC is a master and everything else is a slave.
( this includes disk drives and scanner/camera devices)

So a PDA has to be a master.

Until very recently, master chips for embedded application did not exist.


Now, go look up USB.


hamilton
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Joseph Legris
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Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 7:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Want insight on Compact Flash Standard Reply with quote
hamilton wrote:
Quote:


Johnson Liuis wrote:

Could you please let me know why most of current PDAs do not support USB
port?

Thanks.

Johnson


Johnson,

This is the type of question that is asked by someone who has never
looked into what a USB anything is.

So a simple answer:

USB is a master / slave interface.

The PC/MAC is a master and everything else is a slave.
( this includes disk drives and scanner/camera devices)

So a PDA has to be a master.

Until very recently, master chips for embedded application did not
exist.


Now, go look up USB.


hamilton

Posting a question on a newsgroup *is* looking it up.

--
Joe Legris
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steven
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:12 am    Post subject: Re: Want insight on Compact Flash Standard Reply with quote
"hamilton" <hamilton@deminsional.com> wrote in message
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Quote:


Johnson Liuis wrote:

Could you please let me know why most of current PDAs do not support USB
port?

Thanks.

Johnson


Johnson,

This is the type of question that is asked by someone who has never
looked into what a USB anything is.

So a simple answer:

USB is a master / slave interface.

The PC/MAC is a master and everything else is a slave.
( this includes disk drives and scanner/camera devices)

So a PDA has to be a master.

Until very recently, master chips for embedded application did not exist.


Not entirely correct. USB-on-the-go (http://www.usb.org/developers/onthego/)
provides a peer-to-peer connection between what otherwise would be slave
devices.
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hamilton
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: Want insight on Compact Flash Standard Reply with quote
steven wrote:
Quote:


Not entirely correct. USB-on-the-go (http://www.usb.org/developers/onthego/)
provides a peer-to-peer connection between what otherwise would be slave
devices.



I wonder how many embedded devices use this technology ??

Does anyone know what devices use which chips ?

hamilton
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Guest
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Want insight on Compact Flash Standard Reply with quote
Johnson Liuis wrote:
Quote:
Hello, Mike,

Could you please let me know why most of current PDAs do not support
USB
port?

Hello Johnson,


good question. It might be too early. I still use a Palm IIIx, even
without CF or SD card slot, but if I were looking for a new PDA, I
would certainly want one or two USB ports. It would allow to connect
keyboard and mouse, it would permit to copy images from a camera,
connect a printer and transfer data to a PC. Also intelligent
peripherals like a GPS receiver could be easily connected. Maybe it is
just wishful thinking, but I don't see any better alternative for PDAs.
Michael
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Rufus V. Smith
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Want insight on Compact Flash Standard Reply with quote
"Johnson Liuis" <gpsabove@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Hello, Mike,

Could you please let me know why most of current PDAs do not support USB
port?

Thanks.

Johnson


USB slaves are easy to make/program and require few
resources on the target.

USB hosts (masters) are complex and resource hungry.

(Read: expensive)

Microsoft doesn't mind squandering your computers
resources on the host protocol, which is probably the
main reason it (USB) became so ubiquitous.

Rufus
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Johnson Liuis
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 10:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Want insight on Compact Flash Standard Reply with quote
Do you think WinCE PDA and Palm OS PDA will adopt USB master in the near
future?

Thanks.

Johnson


"Rufus V. Smith" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Johnson Liuis" <gpsabove@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:32gpjlF3kmespU1@individual.net...
Hello, Mike,

Could you please let me know why most of current PDAs do not support USB
port?

Thanks.

Johnson


USB slaves are easy to make/program and require few
resources on the target.

USB hosts (masters) are complex and resource hungry.

(Read: expensive)

Microsoft doesn't mind squandering your computers
resources on the host protocol, which is probably the
main reason it (USB) became so ubiquitous.

Rufus



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Rufus V. Smith
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Want insight on Compact Flash Standard Reply with quote
Wouldn't surprise me.

However, my crystal ball says you are more likely
to get bluetooth or wifi in the pda which could
communicate to an offboard USB master.

Of course, the offboard master will pboably cost
what your PDA did...

"Johnson Liuis" <gpsabove@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

Do you think WinCE PDA and Palm OS PDA will adopt USB master in the near
future?

Thanks.

Johnson


"Rufus V. Smith" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:1103641199.f8cf46941a16e996460db5cb46d66f79@teranews...
"Johnson Liuis" <gpsabove@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:32gpjlF3kmespU1@individual.net...
Hello, Mike,

Could you please let me know why most of current PDAs do not support
USB
port?

Thanks.

Johnson


USB slaves are easy to make/program and require few
resources on the target.

USB hosts (masters) are complex and resource hungry.

(Read: expensive)

Microsoft doesn't mind squandering your computers
resources on the host protocol, which is probably the
main reason it (USB) became so ubiquitous.

Rufus





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Ulf Samuelsson
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:07 am    Post subject: Re: Want insight on Compact Flash Standard Reply with quote
Quote:
Do you think WinCE PDA and Palm OS PDA will adopt USB master in the near
future?

Thanks.



I think it is fair to assume that since most WinCE PDAs are using the Intel
PXA
series, you can figure out what is coming by looking at what is in the
latest PXA chip!

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Best Regards,
Ulf Samuelsson ulf@a-t-m-e-l.com
This is a personal view which may or may not be
share by my Employer Atmel Nordic AB
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linnix
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Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: Want insight on Compact Flash Standard Reply with quote
mike102de@yahoo.com wrote:
Quote:
I would like to get your opinions on the following questions:
Do you think in the next couple of years, the compactflash
standard
is
likely to get more popular, or to become obsolete and being
replaced
by
another standard? Do you know any opponents of CF standard, either
current
or potential, can replace CF standard in the future?


CF will always be around for PDA/embedded systems, simply because it's
faster (16 bits) and easier to design with.

Quote:
It seems to me that the USB memory stick will be the prevalent memory

I have not seen any camera (USB master) with USB memory.

Quote:
device in the coming five or ten years. CF has too many pins, which
makes it more expensive and more vulnerable. Also USB will fit
anywhere, while CF will always need special add-ons. CF was good for
digital cameras, but there it is now replaced by SD-Cards. I would'nt

Actually, newer camers are using xD (which is reincarnated SM) instead
of
SD. SD is deadend without suports from camera makers.

Quote:
expect any substantial growth for CF.

The highest capacity memories are CFs (4G & 8G). I think most
manufactures disagree with you.
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