non-PCI 10/100 Ethernet Controller on the cheap
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sansuikyo
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 4:43 am    Post subject: non-PCI 10/100 Ethernet Controller on the cheap Reply with quote
We are developing a TCP/IP enabled embedded product and are looking for
a 10/100 non-PCI Ethernet Controller for as close to $3 (budgetary
pricing) as possible. We've found SMSC and Asix products as low as $8.
Is there anything out there that might be cheaper?
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Richard H.
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:58 am    Post subject: Re: non-PCI 10/100 Ethernet Controller on the cheap Reply with quote
sansuikyo wrote:
Quote:
We are developing a TCP/IP enabled embedded product
and are looking for a 10/100 non-PCI Ethernet
Controller for as close to $3 (budgetary pricing)
as possible. We've found SMSC and Asix products as
low as $8.
Is there anything out there that might be cheaper?

I'm curious - how was your budgetary pricing decided? Based on what
volume?

FYI, ASIX direct price starts at $7 @ qty25 (MOQ) and go to $5 @
qty1000. Are you getting prices from a distributor?

See also Davicom, though they seem to be the least common:
http://www.davicom.com.tw/eng/products/dm9000.htm

Good luck,
Richard
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Jan Dubiec
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:38 pm    Post subject: Re: non-PCI 10/100 Ethernet Controller on the cheap Reply with quote
Ulf Samuelsson wrote on Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:58:53 +0100:
[.....]
Quote:
Davicom is quite cheap, but I doubt $3.
Polish branch of Acte sells them for $5.55 + VAT @ 180pcs (2 trays - MOQ).

For about $3.5 one can buy a 10Mbps controller eg. RTL8019AS or Davicom's
DM9008; CS8900 is more expensive AFAIR.

Quote:

Which MCU are you using today?
It is probably cheaper with an integrated MCU+Ethernet.
But usually you have to add an external PHY - about $3 + space on PCB.


Quote:
Next year you will see single chip ARM+Flash+SRAM+Ethernet
so you might want to prepare for this....
Will it have also a built-in Ethernet PHY?


Regards,
/J.D.
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Johnny
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:19 pm    Post subject: Re: non-PCI 10/100 Ethernet Controller on the cheap Reply with quote
On 20 Dec 2004 15:43:02 -0800, "sansuikyo" <sansuikyo@gmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:
We are developing a TCP/IP enabled embedded product and are looking for
a 10/100 non-PCI Ethernet Controller for as close to $3 (budgetary
pricing) as possible. We've found SMSC and Asix products as low as $8.
Is there anything out there that might be cheaper?


Which SMSC part is that?
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Ulf Samuelsson
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:58 pm    Post subject: Re: non-PCI 10/100 Ethernet Controller on the cheap Reply with quote
"sansuikyo" <sansuikyo@gmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
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Quote:
We are developing a TCP/IP enabled embedded product and are looking for
a 10/100 non-PCI Ethernet Controller for as close to $3 (budgetary
pricing) as possible. We've found SMSC and Asix products as low as $8.
Is there anything out there that might be cheaper?



Davicom is quite cheap, but I doubt $3.

Which MCU are you using today?
It is probably cheaper with an integrated MCU+Ethernet.
Next year you will see single chip ARM+Flash+SRAM+Ethernet
so you might want to prepare for this....

--
Best Regards
Ulf at atmel dot com
These comments are intended to be my own opinion and they
may, or may not be shared by my employer, Atmel Sweden.
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Ulf Samuelsson
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 8:55 pm    Post subject: Re: non-PCI 10/100 Ethernet Controller on the cheap Reply with quote
"Jan Dubiec" <jdx@SPAMTRAP.slackware.pl> skrev i meddelandet
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Quote:
Ulf Samuelsson wrote on Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:58:53 +0100:
[.....]
Davicom is quite cheap, but I doubt $3.
Polish branch of Acte sells them for $5.55 + VAT @ 180pcs (2 trays - MOQ).
For about $3.5 one can buy a 10Mbps controller eg. RTL8019AS or Davicom's
DM9008; CS8900 is more expensive AFAIR.


Which MCU are you using today?
It is probably cheaper with an integrated MCU+Ethernet.
But usually you have to add an external PHY - about $3 + space on PCB.

Next year you will see single chip ARM+Flash+SRAM+Ethernet
so you might want to prepare for this....
Will it have also a built-in Ethernet PHY?


Maybe, Maybe not, Atmel just licensed a Gigabit Ethernet PHY
and I am trying to find out if it is applicable to 10/100 as well,
and then if it is cost effective. Would be nice, wouldn't it?

--
Best Regards
Ulf at atmel dot com
These comments are intended to be my own opinion and they
may, or may not be shared by my employer, Atmel Sweden.
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sansuikyo
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:17 pm    Post subject: Re: non-PCI 10/100 Ethernet Controller on the cheap Reply with quote
The LAN9118-MT and LAN9118-MD
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sansuikyo
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:24 pm    Post subject: Re: non-PCI 10/100 Ethernet Controller on the cheap Reply with quote
Actually I just heard back from the folks at ASIX and they did quote me
$5 for 1000 pieces. Thanks.
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sansuikyo
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:28 pm    Post subject: Re: non-PCI 10/100 Ethernet Controller on the cheap Reply with quote
We are looking at the Atmel AT91SAM7S256 and the Philips LPC2138. The
Atmel AT91SAM7X128 looks ideal but will not be available in time for us.
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Guest
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:27 am    Post subject: Re: non-PCI 10/100 Ethernet Controller on the cheap Reply with quote
It's probably cheaper to use a part with built in MAC.

I like the Motorola MCF5270, 32 bits, 95 mips, 10/100 phy, 64K of SRAM and $7.50 at 10K

You need to add a Phy and some flash, SDRAM if you want more than 64k,

We use a Davicom 10/100 PHY it can be had for less than $2 in 10K quantity
I've also seen the ADMTek/Infineon phy quoted in this price range...

All in all one could get a semiconductior BOM significantly less than $15.00


Netburner has Modules, a reference design and a full set of RTOS, tcp and tools for this part
that will be availible in Q1.


Paul
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Ulf Samuelsson
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 3:34 am    Post subject: Re: non-PCI 10/100 Ethernet Controller on the cheap Reply with quote
<pbreed@netburner.com> skrev i meddelandet
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Quote:
It's probably cheaper to use a part with built in MAC.

I like the Motorola MCF5270, 32 bits, 95 mips, 10/100 phy, 64K of SRAM and
$7.50 at 10K

You need to add a Phy and some flash, SDRAM if you want more than 64k,

We use a Davicom 10/100 PHY it can be had for less than $2 in 10K quantity
I've also seen the ADMTek/Infineon phy quoted in this price range...

All in all one could get a semiconductior BOM significantly less than
$15.00


Netburner has Modules, a reference design and a full set of RTOS, tcp and
tools for this part
that will be availible in Q1.


Paul




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Best Regards,
Ulf Samuelsson ulf@a-t-m-e-l.com
This is a personal view which may or may not be
share by my Employer Atmel Nordic AB
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Ulf Samuelsson
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 3:38 am    Post subject: Re: non-PCI 10/100 Ethernet Controller on the cheap Reply with quote
<pbreed@netburner.com> skrev i meddelandet
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Quote:
It's probably cheaper to use a part with built in MAC.


All in all one could get a semiconductior BOM significantly less than
$15.00


No, it will be cheaper than $15 with the single chippers and external
MAC+PHY.
Should also have much smaller footprint.
You will be correct when the AT91SAM7X128 appears.
An alternative to the AT91SAM7S64 is the AT91FR4042 w 256 kKB SRAM
and 512 kB Flash. If 64 kB RAM is used for data, then there is 192 kB SRAM
left for fast execution and plenty of space for slow execution.

--
Best Regards,
Ulf Samuelsson ulf@a-t-m-e-l.com
This is a personal view which may or may not be
share by my Employer Atmel Nordic AB
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Johnny
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 5:21 pm    Post subject: Re: non-PCI 10/100 Ethernet Controller on the cheap Reply with quote
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:58:53 +0100, "Ulf Samuelsson"
<ulf@NOSPAMatmel.com> wrote:

Quote:
"sansuikyo" <sansuikyo@gmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:1103586182.130667.133350@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
We are developing a TCP/IP enabled embedded product and are looking for
a 10/100 non-PCI Ethernet Controller for as close to $3 (budgetary
pricing) as possible. We've found SMSC and Asix products as low as $8.
Is there anything out there that might be cheaper?



Davicom is quite cheap, but I doubt $3.

Which MCU are you using today?
It is probably cheaper with an integrated MCU+Ethernet.
Next year you will see single chip ARM+Flash+SRAM+Ethernet
so you might want to prepare for this....

I have waiting for a AT91R40008 with LAN and/or USB on board.
Obviously I need EBI as well. An RTC for low power battery operation
would be good too. Fortunately I can wait about a year for production
pieces. I wonder if there is there any chance?

regards,
Johnny.
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Ulf Samuelsson
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 8:17 pm    Post subject: Re: non-PCI 10/100 Ethernet Controller on the cheap Reply with quote
Quote:
Davicom is quite cheap, but I doubt $3.

Which MCU are you using today?
It is probably cheaper with an integrated MCU+Ethernet.
Next year you will see single chip ARM+Flash+SRAM+Ethernet
so you might want to prepare for this....

I have waiting for a AT91R40008 with LAN and/or USB on board.
Obviously I need EBI as well. An RTC for low power battery operation
would be good too. Fortunately I can wait about a year for production
pieces. I wonder if there is there any chance?


You chance is with the AT91C140 or the AT91RM9200 at the moment

None of these have significant amount of SRAM internally, but support SDRAM.
Only the AT91RM9200 has USB and the AT91RM9200 "RTC" lacks battery backup.

The AT91SAM7X series is currently in design, but production date can only be
guessed.
My guess is end next year.

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Best Regards
Ulf at atmel dot com
These comments are intended to be my own opinion and they
may, or may not be shared by my employer, Atmel Sweden.
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Richard H.
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 8:00 am    Post subject: Re: non-PCI 10/100 Ethernet Controller on the cheap Reply with quote
Ulf Samuelsson wrote:
Quote:
Maybe, Maybe not, Atmel just licensed a Gigabit
Ethernet PHY and I am trying to find out if it is
applicable to 10/100 as well, and then if it is
cost effective. Would be nice, wouldn't it?

Nice - when's it being added to the Mega128? ;-)
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