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Dave Hansen
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:16 am Post subject:
Re: Editor? |
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On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 21:41:58 GMT, Rich Webb
<bbew.ar@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:11:33 -0800, "Neil Bradley"
nb_no_spam@synthcom.com> wrote:
What do all of you embedded systems guys use these days? Brief is no longer
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Any ideas/thoughts/suggestions? Thank you!
Use vi, the one true editor... ;-)
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Vi is a piece of wombat do. ;-)
After Borland bought and killed Brief, I switched to CodeWright. Then
Borland bought CodeWright, and...
I'll probably continue using CodeWright in the near future, but if
(when) I have to switch again, it'll probably be to Xemacs.
If you want something very simple and free under Windoze, Programmer's
Notepad (http://www.pnotepad.org/) fits the bill nicely. My biggest
complaint is the lack of column cut/paste/etc.
Regards,
-=Dave
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Mike Harding
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:26 am Post subject:
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 23:16:50 GMT, iddw@hotmail.com (Dave Hansen)
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| Quote: | What do all of you embedded systems guys use these days? Brief is no longer
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Any ideas/thoughts/suggestions? Thank you!
Use vi, the one true editor... ;-)
Vi is a piece of wombat do. ;-)
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Oi! Don't you say bad things about our wombats!
Mike Harding (in Oz :) |
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:07 am Post subject:
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Eclipse is too resources hungry for my liking, but the good thing about
Eclipse is that it is platform independent and free.
My current editor de jour is jedit. |
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Nicholas O. Lindan
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:28 am Post subject:
The Worst Text Editor |
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There will never be agreement on the best.
So, nominations for the _worst_ text editor:
I nominate the Tek-Lab with a DECWriter (30 cps teletype
like thingy). I grew up on an '026 keypunch, so the
ability to get a listing _any time you wanted_ was,
like, wow!
Intel had a pretty awful one, Credit(?), that should have
been called 'Bankrupt'.
Intel improved it with 'Alter'.
Then Willy The Wanker gave the world edlin (don't
you wish he had finished college?) and I longed for
an IBM '026.
IBM came out with 'Professional Editor': I threw it
away. Wish I had kept it, it was _so_ incredibly bad. IBM
also had a 'Personal Editor', a bit better but you wouldn't
want to use it. Edlin didn't look so bad after these two.
Then it was back to Alter under run.com, a program that let
Intel x86 MDSIII software run on an IBM PC.
Then came Brief. Heaven. I am still using V 1.32. Brief
went down hill after that and I was sick of the text
editor dance. OK, no mouse, but mice just give you
numb fingers and an aching back.
Yeah, yeah: I have ME, Emacs, Kedit (?), blah blah blah,
workbenches out my ears, IDE this and IDE that ...
they don't impress me.
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Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
Remove spaces etc. to reply: n o lindan at net com dot com
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Jim Stewart
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:54 am Post subject:
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Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
| Quote: | There will never be agreement on the best.
So, nominations for the _worst_ text editor:
I nominate the Tek-Lab with a DECWriter (30 cps teletype
like thingy). I grew up on an '026 keypunch, so the
ability to get a listing _any time you wanted_ was,
like, wow!
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Do you really want to go back that far?
Ok, Symbolic Tape Editor -> ASR33
Came with new PDP8/L's along with PAL3
assembler.
Want to go back even farther?
How about a Friden Flexwriter and paper
tape. *No* editor. Make a mistake,
back up the tape and press rubout.
Anyone that had a DECWriter was in fat city (:
| Quote: | Intel had a pretty awful one, Credit(?), that should have
been called 'Bankrupt'.
Intel improved it with 'Alter'.
Then Willy The Wanker gave the world edlin (don't
you wish he had finished college?) and I longed for
an IBM '026.
IBM came out with 'Professional Editor': I threw it
away. Wish I had kept it, it was _so_ incredibly bad. IBM
also had a 'Personal Editor', a bit better but you wouldn't
want to use it. Edlin didn't look so bad after these two.
Then it was back to Alter under run.com, a program that let
Intel x86 MDSIII software run on an IBM PC.
Then came Brief. Heaven. I am still using V 1.32. Brief
went down hill after that and I was sick of the text
editor dance. OK, no mouse, but mice just give you
numb fingers and an aching back.
Yeah, yeah: I have ME, Emacs, Kedit (?), blah blah blah,
workbenches out my ears, IDE this and IDE that ...
they don't impress me.
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Zonn
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:18 am Post subject:
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:32:49 +0100, in msg <41d982d6.42047993@z1.oliverbetz.de>,
Oliver Betz <OBetz@despammed.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Neil Bradley" <nb_no_spam@synthcom.com> wrote:
Codewright was one of my favorites, but it's no longer being
developed nor supported (and it's buggy, unfortunately).
Didn't know this - http://www.codewright.com/ doesn't state this and
CodeWright 7.5 is still offered for 299USD at shop.borland.com.
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Click on the "An open letter to CodeWright customers." link on that same page.
-Zonn
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Andrew Reilly
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:57 am Post subject:
Re: The Worst Text Editor |
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On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 01:28:36 +0000, Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
| Quote: | So, nominations for the _worst_ text editor:
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Anything stupid enough to lose work is in the class of worst text editors.
MS Word wins that race, for me.
Not that you'd want to use it for coding, anyway.
| Quote: | Then came Brief. Heaven. I am still using V 1.32. Brief went down hill
after that and I was sick of the text editor dance. OK, no mouse, but
mice just give you numb fingers and an aching back.
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Re: mice: yeah, they do. Trackpoints, track pads and track balls all do
the same job, with (respectively IMO) much less strain and grief. I use
a nice logitech trackball next to my short "Happy Hacker" keyboard on my
desktop, and have laptops with trackpoints and track pads. No more
neck/thumb strain.
| Quote: | Yeah, yeah: I have ME, Emacs, Kedit (?), blah blah blah, workbenches out
my ears, IDE this and IDE that ... they don't impress me.
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Vim rules: no mice, no function keys, no alt-meta-cokebottle,
syntax colouring, multiple buffers, tag files, compile/fix, semantic
cursor movement at the tips of your fingers. The only things that come
close are original vi and Emacs VIPER mode (which is quite nice, too).
[Actually EDT under VMS was quite nice, as long as you were prepared to
move your right hand off the home keys to get to the numeric keypad/edit
keys.]
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Ulf Samuelsson
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:35 pm Post subject:
Re: The Worst Text Editor |
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| Quote: | So, nominations for the _worst_ text editor:
I nominate the Tek-Lab with a DECWriter (30 cps teletype
like thingy). I grew up on an '026 keypunch, so the
ability to get a listing _any time you wanted_ was,
like, wow!
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I would like to nominate CobEd, Cobol Oriented Editor.
This editor was a customtversion of the AMIS editor, an Emacs
lookalike developed by "Stacken", the computer club
at the Royal Institute of Technology in Stockholm.
The AMIS editor ran on DEC PDP-10/PDP-20 36 bit machines
and was also ported later to VAX/VMS.
I think at one time "Stacken" owned 18 PDP-10s/20s and
was known at DEC Maynard under its pet name "THE computer club" :-)
Anyway, I was sitting one day dicsussing the "worst" text editors around
with one of the developers and then we developed very quickly the CobEd.
Abbreviations is an unknown concept in Cobol, so any true Cobol Editor
must abolish abbreviations.
A typical abbreviation in AMIS is the mapping of a pressing a key on the
keyboard to
the function "Meta-X selfinsert" uising the character as an argument.
By removing this mapping, CobEd was created.
In order to insert a character in CobEd the user had to type the string
"<ESC>Xselfinsert<CR><LF>" The <ESC> is used as the "Meta" prefix.
The editor would then promt the user for a character.
Once pressed, the function selfinsert would be called with the character as
the argument,
so after 15 key presses , one character had been inserted in the editor :-)
Rest of the editor (beeing Emacs lookalike) is of course pretty nice,
but I cannot conceive there is an REAL competition for the worst editor
here...
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Best Regards,
Ulf Samuelsson ulf@a-t-m-e-l.com
This is a personal view which may or may not be
share by my Employer Atmel Nordic AB |
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:55 pm Post subject:
Re: The Worst Text Editor |
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Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
| Quote: | There will never be agreement on the best.
So, nominations for the _worst_ text editor:
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Limiting it to the (modern) editors that are foisted on us by IDE
vendors the worst has to be Codewarrior as supplied with the ARM
developer suite. No variable/function name completion, no source code
browsing and, despite a number of calls to metrowerks support, it will
not print files (nothing else has any difficulty but CW generates a
windows error)
Codewarrior - probably the world's most expensive make utility. |
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Ignacio G. T.
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:23 pm Post subject:
Re: The Worst Text Editor |
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Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
| Quote: | There will never be agreement on the best.
So, nominations for the _worst_ text editor:
I nominate the Tek-Lab with a DECWriter (30 cps teletype
like thingy). I grew up on an '026 keypunch, so the
ability to get a listing _any time you wanted_ was,
like, wow!
Intel had a pretty awful one, Credit(?), that should have
been called 'Bankrupt'.
Intel improved it with 'Alter'.
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I remember Intel's Aedit, both on MDS and on MS-DOS. Is it the same?
I still use Aedit when switching to a "command prompt window". I think
its short-cuts are hard-wired in my brain, and when I see a black 80x25
text window, I cannot stop typing C:>AEDIT.
I think Aedit is the best editor whose executable is under 76,896 bytes.
And, for the really memory-aware, you have Intel's Iedit, a slim version
of Aedit (48,712 bytes!)
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Then Willy The Wanker gave the world edlin (don't
you wish he had finished college?) and I longed for
an IBM '026.
IBM came out with 'Professional Editor': I threw it
away. Wish I had kept it, it was _so_ incredibly bad. IBM
also had a 'Personal Editor', a bit better but you wouldn't
want to use it. Edlin didn't look so bad after these two.
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Right. IBM Professional Editor made me think of remaining an amateur
programmer, instead of becoming professional :-) And in those DOS days,
I learned edlin so well that I could edit autoexec.bat and config.sys
without a screen. Which, believe me, it was a real situation sometimes.
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Then it was back to Alter under run.com, a program that let
Intel x86 MDSIII software run on an IBM PC.
Then came Brief. Heaven. I am still using V 1.32. Brief
went down hill after that and I was sick of the text
editor dance. OK, no mouse, but mice just give you
numb fingers and an aching back.
Yeah, yeah: I have ME, Emacs, Kedit (?), blah blah blah,
workbenches out my ears, IDE this and IDE that ...
they don't impress me.
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Richard
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:23 pm Post subject:
Re: Editor? |
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"Neil Bradley" <nb_no_spam@synthcom.com> wrote in
news:10tgovop37jmifd@corp.supernews.com:
| Quote: | What do all of you embedded systems guys use these days? Brief is no
longer cutting it for me due to the fact it can't handle long
pathnames or PATH environment variables under Windows, and I'd like
something more modern with Brief emulation capabilities (pay or free -
doesn't matter). Codewright was one of my favorites, but it's no
longer being developed nor supported (and it's buggy, unfortunately).
Any ideas/thoughts/suggestions? Thank you!
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Been using codewright for years, still do and am quite happy with it.
Which version are/were you using? I admit I do not use it in brief
emulation mode, so perhaps that is where you are encountering issues.
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Richard |
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Richard
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:24 pm Post subject:
Re: Editor? |
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Rich Webb <bbew.ar@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote in
news:vkqgt0l7eo5q9oitagfsdukdj9jrfbv8pr@4ax.com:
| Quote: | On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:11:33 -0800, "Neil Bradley"
nb_no_spam@synthcom.com> wrote:
What do all of you embedded systems guys use these days? Brief is no
longer cutting it for me due to the fact it can't handle long
pathnames or PATH environment variables under Windows, and I'd like
something more modern with Brief emulation capabilities (pay or free -
doesn't matter). Codewright was one of my favorites, but it's no
longer being developed nor supported (and it's buggy, unfortunately).
Any ideas/thoughts/suggestions? Thank you!
Use vi, the one true editor... ;-)
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uh oh, here we go...
and btw, just for the record, vi is evil, or at least half so...
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Richard |
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Richard
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:29 pm Post subject:
Re: The Worst Text Editor |
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Andrew Reilly <andrew-newspost@areilly.bpc-users.org> wrote in
news:pan.2005.01.04.06.09.03.641396@areilly.bpc-users.org:
| Quote: | On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 01:28:36 +0000, Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
So, nominations for the _worst_ text editor:
Anything stupid enough to lose work is in the class of worst text
editors. MS Word wins that race, for me.
Not that you'd want to use it for coding, anyway.
Then came Brief. Heaven. I am still using V 1.32. Brief went down
hill after that and I was sick of the text editor dance. OK, no
mouse, but mice just give you numb fingers and an aching back.
Re: mice: yeah, they do. Trackpoints, track pads and track balls all
do the same job, with (respectively IMO) much less strain and grief.
I use a nice logitech trackball next to my short "Happy Hacker"
keyboard on my desktop, and have laptops with trackpoints and track
pads. No more neck/thumb strain.
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I used a trackball up until I tried the Anir mouse. It's basically a
mouse with a big vertical handle on top of it where the buttons are
mounted. You move it around like a mouse, but no strain, no pain. I
still use a logitech trackball at home however.
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Richard |
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Richard
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:35 pm Post subject:
Re: Editor? |
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Zonn <news-zonn@zektor.AOL.com> wrote in
news:gqujt0lfjp5u2cc62th0jeuv7vfdlhc87e@4ax.com:
| Quote: | On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:32:49 +0100, in msg
41d982d6.42047993@z1.oliverbetz.de>, Oliver Betz
OBetz@despammed.com> wrote:
"Neil Bradley" <nb_no_spam@synthcom.com> wrote:
Codewright was one of my favorites, but it's no longer being
developed nor supported (and it's buggy, unfortunately).
Didn't know this - http://www.codewright.com/ doesn't state this and
CodeWright 7.5 is still offered for 299USD at shop.borland.com.
Click on the "An open letter to CodeWright customers." link on that
same page.
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I still plan on using it until such time as MS breaks it with a new Windoze
release, and even then, I may just forgo the new version of Windoze...
--
Richard |
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CBFalconer
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:28 pm Post subject:
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Dave Hansen wrote:
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.... snip ...
If you want something very simple and free under Windoze,
Programmer's Notepad (http://www.pnotepad.org/) fits the bill
nicely. My biggest complaint is the lack of column cut/paste/etc.
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Try textpad. <http://textpad.com>
--
Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@worldnet.att.net)
Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.
<http://cbfalconer.home.att.net> USE worldnet address! |
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