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Ian Bell
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:08 pm Post subject:
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Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
| Quote: | There will never be agreement on the best.
So, nominations for the _worst_ text editor:
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Emacs - no contest.
Ian
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:44 pm Post subject:
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slick edit does brief better than brief,
you won't even have to retrain your fingers.
Crisp is a very good brief emulation cross platform, both cost $$
Paul
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:11:33 -0800, "Neil Bradley" <nb_no_spam@synthcom.com> wrote:
| Quote: | What do all of you embedded systems guys use these days? Brief is no longer
cutting it for me due to the fact it can't handle long pathnames or PATH
environment variables under Windows, and I'd like something more modern with
Brief emulation capabilities (pay or free - doesn't matter). Codewright was
one of my favorites, but it's no longer being developed nor supported (and
it's buggy, unfortunately).
Any ideas/thoughts/suggestions? Thank you!
-->Neil
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Nicholas O. Lindan
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Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:02 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | http://www.codewright.com/
Click on the "An open letter to CodeWright customers." link on that same page.
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"... [We are closing] the CodeWright Business unit ..."
The executive summary.
"... this strategic move will create exciting technical synergies ..."
80's MBA codswallop for "I haven't the foggiest what we are doing or why
we are doing it, but 'exciting strategic synergies' sure does sound good.".
"... and directly benefit the customer base ..."
Bend over.
"... [CodeWright will continue] as-is ... unsupported ...
Here it comes ...
"... [we have] not yet set a date to discontinue the product ..."
You are screwed.
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Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
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Nicholas O. Lindan
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Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:22 am Post subject:
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"Ignacio G. T." <igtorque@yahoo.es> wrote
| Quote: | Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
Intel had a pretty awful one, Credit(?), that should have
been called 'Bankrupt'.
Intel improved it with 'Alter'.
I remember Intel's Aedit, both on MDS and on MS-DOS. Is it the same?
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That's going back. I think the port of Alter from MDS-III/ISIS-II (?)
to PC Dos was called Aedit. And I think there was an Alter-80 for the
old MDS-I & -II.
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Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
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Jim Stewart
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Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:12 am Post subject:
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Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
| Quote: | "Ignacio G. T." <igtorque@yahoo.es> wrote
Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
Intel had a pretty awful one, Credit(?), that should have
been called 'Bankrupt'.
Intel improved it with 'Alter'.
I remember Intel's Aedit, both on MDS and on MS-DOS. Is it the same?
That's going back. I think the port of Alter from MDS-III/ISIS-II (?)
to PC Dos was called Aedit. And I think there was an Alter-80 for the
old MDS-I & -II.
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Does anyone remember ALS8?
It was an editor/assembler/debugger (and
I use the term very loosely) that was
burned into a multitude of EPROMS plugged
into an s100 card plugged into an IMSAI
or Altair. Exquisitely horrible. |
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Jonathan Kirwan
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Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:15 am Post subject:
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On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:02:52 GMT, "Nicholas O. Lindan" <see@sig.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "... [CodeWright will continue] as-is ... unsupported ...
Here it comes ...
"... [we have] not yet set a date to discontinue the product ..."
You are screwed.
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And US$299 is charged for this??
Now, if only I had the complete list of the customers who are buying such a
product at such a price under such conditions!
Jon |
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Paul E. Bennett
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Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:08 am Post subject:
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Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
| Quote: | There will never be agreement on the best.
So, nominations for the _worst_ text editor:
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To those amongst us that are ancient enough to have fond memories of
editing the holes in punch cards or paper tape then anything that got the
job done was not bad.
"Adapt, Overcome, Survive!" (if anyone watched Heartbreak Ridge).
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Zonn
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Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:40 am Post subject:
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On 4 Jan 2005 15:35:56 GMT, in msg
<Xns95D4577968E7Brichardrapiernetscap@130.133.1.4>, Richard
<RichardRapier@netscape.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Zonn <news-zonn@zektor.AOL.com> wrote in
news:gqujt0lfjp5u2cc62th0jeuv7vfdlhc87e@4ax.com:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:32:49 +0100, in msg
41d982d6.42047993@z1.oliverbetz.de>, Oliver Betz
OBetz@despammed.com> wrote:
"Neil Bradley" <nb_no_spam@synthcom.com> wrote:
Codewright was one of my favorites, but it's no longer being
developed nor supported (and it's buggy, unfortunately).
Didn't know this - http://www.codewright.com/ doesn't state this and
CodeWright 7.5 is still offered for 299USD at shop.borland.com.
Click on the "An open letter to CodeWright customers." link on that
same page.
I still plan on using it until such time as MS breaks it with a new Windoze
release, and even then, I may just forgo the new version of Windoze...
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You and me both, it's currently the editor of choice for me (Ver 6.0e). I
switched to it after Borland bought BRIEF and shot it in the head.
I'll keep using until I'm forced to move over to something like Slickedit and
use it until Borland buys it and shoots it in the head, then I'll switch to
another editor until Borland buys it and shoots it in the head, eventually I'll
be using Emacs, until Borland sues on some patent issues, wins, and shoots it in
the head.
If you can't tell I have lost a lot of respect for Borland, who at one time,
many years ago, I actually thought had the ability to give MS some competition
with their cross-platform compilers, etc.
I love that last sentence in the first paragraph of the open letter:
"Borland is committed to providing developers with freedom of choice and
enabling developers to build better software, faster."
Yeah, yeah, and "War is Peace", and that used car dealer on the TV really wants
to give me his best deal, and cigarette companies really care about my health...
-Zonn
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Zektor, LLC email address to reply.
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Joop
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Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
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Guy Macon <_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:
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MetalHead wrote:
I've been using UltraEdit and have been really happy with it. You can
configure almost everything about it and it works with large files.
supports all the usual syntax coloring and such (if you want it) and has
been extremely reliable. You can try it for free and registering it
costs $30US the last time I looked. WWW.ultraedit.com
The column mode saves a huge amount of time when adjusting indenting.
Highly recommended.
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Yes, is it not wonderful that we are so pleased with a function that
was already present in Wordstar(clones) 20 years ago. It did do
rectangular block copies (at least the later versions)
Joop |
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Nicholas O. Lindan
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Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:00 am Post subject:
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"Joop" <l_o_u_s_take_most_away@xs4all.nl> wrote
| Quote: | Yes, is it not wonderful that we are so pleased with a function that
was already present in Wordstar(clones) 20 years ago. It did do
rectangular block copies (at least the later versions)
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And in IBM's "personal editor": the more primitive the data
representation in the program the easier it is to do rectangular
text move/copy/delete.
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Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
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Dave Mabry
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Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:53 am Post subject:
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Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
| Quote: | "Ignacio G. T." <igtorque@yahoo.es> wrote
Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
Intel had a pretty awful one, Credit(?), that should have
been called 'Bankrupt'.
Intel improved it with 'Alter'.
I remember Intel's Aedit, both on MDS and on MS-DOS. Is it the same?
That's going back. I think the port of Alter from MDS-III/ISIS-II (?)
to PC Dos was called Aedit. And I think there was an Alter-80 for the
old MDS-I & -II.
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You are partially correct. Intel first introduced the editor called
Alter for the MDS Series II and MDS-800. They even sold an upgrade for
the Series II that added soft keys. The Fctn-A soft key passed "ALTER "
to the operating system command line interpreter. There was apparently
another company that had the name "alter" as one of their products. I
don't remember what it was, but Intel had to change the name of their
Alter to something else. They chose Aedit and consequently had to
replace the firmware enhancement to the Series II so the Fctn-A passed
"AEDIT " instead.
That original editor was 8080 code. Then Intel released an 8086-based
version of Aedit for the Series III/IV/RMX-86 systems. When Intel
started supporting development on the PC, they ported that version to
DOS by attaching a "UDI" layer. You could even do that yourself with
the appropriate program from Intel (add the DOS UDI layer) to any of
their 8086 development tools.
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Guy Macon
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Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:58 am Post subject:
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My nominations:
Runners-up:
TJ-2 (TJ="Type Justifier") running on a DEC PDP-1
"Expensive Typewriter" running on a DEC PDP-1
Wang OIS-140 (see http://www.cass.net/~jdonoghu/
and http://vs18k.dyndns.org/oisemul.html )
The worst:
Word processing on a Friden Flexowriter *without* a PDP-1.
This is done by cutting and pasting (literally!) the paper tape.
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Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com/> |
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CBFalconer
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Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:58 am Post subject:
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"Paul E. Bennett" wrote:
| Quote: | Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
There will never be agreement on the best.
So, nominations for the _worst_ text editor:
To those amongst us that are ancient enough to have fond memories
of editing the holes in punch cards or paper tape then anything
that got the job done was not bad.
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The ultimate luxury was to avoid the tape read and punch cycle with
an ASR33. When I got my Microdata 800 up to 8k of core (circa
1970) I could combine the editor, assembler, and debugger into one
module with the source in core, and do instantaneous revisions.
The editor was some form of line editor. Every so often things
went wild and needed a complete reload. The trick was to punch the
revised source just before that event.
--
Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@worldnet.att.net)
Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.
<http://cbfalconer.home.att.net> USE worldnet address! |
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Donna and Ian
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Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:47 pm Post subject:
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Ian Bell wrote:
| Quote: | No offence taken. I know editors are a very personal thing. I remember
nearly 25 years ago working on a microprocessor development system that had
a line based editor (worse than the old IBM edlin).
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You've brought back some memories for me.
I used a character editor on an RCA COSMAC system back
in the early 1980s. I can't remember much about it now,
but I do remember counting characters on the line:
vi seems positively intuitive compared to it. :)
Ian
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Rufus V. Smith
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Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:23 pm Post subject:
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"Ian Bell" <ruffrecords@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:creife$f3i$2@slavica.ukpost.com...
| Quote: | Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
There will never be agreement on the best.
So, nominations for the _worst_ text editor:
Emacs - no contest.
Ian
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Ian Bell
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Of course, that (Emacs) also is often nominated as the *best*.
Personally, I loved TECO.
Rufus |
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