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kiki
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:58 am Post subject: will this DSP class help me find intern/job more easily?

--------------HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL DSPERS --------- Hi all, I am considering taking a class in DSP with emphasis on TI processors. The course description states: "This course introduces the fundamentals of applied digital signal processing by implementing a wide range of digital signal processing (DSP) applications on the Texas Instrument (TI) TMS320C54x DSP processor." It will surely improve my understanding of DSP in general. But it also involves the workload of TMS DSP programming, although my interest is more on algorithm design... What do you think? Can DSPer in this forum give me some experiences? Will this help me find an summer intern/job more easily? Thanks a lot guys!

Rune Allnor
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: will this DSP class help me find intern/job more easily?

kiki wrote:

Quote:

--------------HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL DSPERS ---------

Thanks and likewise.

Quote:

Hi all,

I am considering taking a class in DSP with emphasis on TI
processors.

The course description states: "This course introduces the
fundamentals of
applied digital signal processing by implementing a wide range of
digital
signal processing (DSP) applications on the Texas Instrument (TI)
TMS320C54x
DSP processor."

It will surely improve my understanding of DSP in general. But it
also
involves the workload of TMS DSP programming, although my interest is
more
on algorithm design...

What do you think? Can DSPer in this forum give me some experiences?
Will
this help me find an summer intern/job more easily?

Well, I don't know what other experience you have with computer
programming, so I'll try to be careful not to be too definitive in
my advice. I don't have much experience with DSP programming as such,
but I did learn a lot of assembly programming on the then state-of-
the-art i8086 - 80286 + x87 maths processors in the late 80ies/early
90ies.

I've hardly done assembly programming after taking those classes,
but the experience and insights are invaluable. I know a lot more
about what happens inside the computer, what to do and what not to do,
what makes a program fast and what slows it down. These days I don't
do much manual optimization to speed things up, but I do my best not
to make the "obvious" blunders that slow things down. So my immediate
reaction is that such a course could well be very useful for somebody
who implement DSP algorithms.

Having hands-on experience with low-level assembly programming is a
definitive advantage for somebody who works with computer programming,
DSP or not. Somebody with this type of experience would probably do
a better job than somebody without it, given the oportunity to
demonstrate
their capacities. Whether one gets and advantage during the *search*
for
a job, well, that's a completely different question...

Rune

Randy Yates
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: will this DSP class help me find intern/job more easily?

"kiki" <lunaliu3@yahoo.com> writes:

Quote:

--------------HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL DSPERS ---------

Hi all,

I am considering taking a class in DSP with emphasis on TI processors.

The course description states: "This course introduces the fundamentals of
applied digital signal processing by implementing a wide range of digital
signal processing (DSP) applications on the Texas Instrument (TI) TMS320C54x
DSP processor."

It will surely improve my understanding of DSP in general. But it also
involves the workload of TMS DSP programming, although my interest is more
on algorithm design...

What do you think? Can DSPer in this forum give me some experiences? Will
this help me find an summer intern/job more easily?

You sound ambivalent. Do you or do you not want to work at the
assembly language / implementation level? If not, then don't
bother. I've known several PhDs who are "algorithm guys" that wouldn't
spend 5 minutes thinking about implementation issues. If you choose this
route, then I'd also say your road is more difficult since there are a
number of very sharp "algorithm guys" in industry and academia.

But yes, I think the class will help you find a job doing implementation.
--
Randy Yates
Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications
Research Triangle Park, NC, USA
randy.yates@sonyericsson.com, 919-472-1124

kiki
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:45 am Post subject: Re: will this DSP class help me find intern/job more easily?

"Randy Yates" <randy.yates@sonyericsson.com> wrote in message
news:xxpekh1tgdo.fsf@usrts005.corpusers.net...

Quote:

"kiki" <lunaliu3@yahoo.com> writes:

--------------HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL DSPERS ---------

Hi all,

I am considering taking a class in DSP with emphasis on TI processors.

The course description states: "This course introduces the fundamentals
of
applied digital signal processing by implementing a wide range of digital
signal processing (DSP) applications on the Texas Instrument (TI)
TMS320C54x
DSP processor."

It will surely improve my understanding of DSP in general. But it also
involves the workload of TMS DSP programming, although my interest is
more
on algorithm design...

What do you think? Can DSPer in this forum give me some experiences? Will
this help me find an summer intern/job more easily?

You sound ambivalent. Do you or do you not want to work at the
assembly language / implementation level? If not, then don't
bother. I've known several PhDs who are "algorithm guys" that wouldn't
spend 5 minutes thinking about implementation issues. If you choose this
route, then I'd also say your road is more difficult since there are a
number of very sharp "algorithm guys" in industry and academia.

But yes, I think the class will help you find a job doing implementation.
--
Randy Yates
Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications
Research Triangle Park, NC, USA
randy.yates@sonyericsson.com, 919-472-1124

Thanks a lot Randy!

Really this class is no use? Could you please specify what are those
"algorithm guys" doing in industry typically? What are those "implementation
guys" doing? Which type of guys get job more easily? Which has more fun in
working?

It is clear that I like mathematics and algorithms. But do "algorithm guys"
never care about implementation details? I guess the people you are talking
about are those with very specific job classification in large companies...
In those companies, different types of people do different types of
things...

kiki
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:50 am Post subject: Re: will this DSP class help me find intern/job more easily?

"Rune Allnor" <allnor@tele.ntnu.no> wrote in message
news:1104845921.286384.167610@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Quote:

kiki wrote:
--------------HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL DSPERS ---------

Thanks and likewise.

Hi all,

I am considering taking a class in DSP with emphasis on TI
processors.

The course description states: "This course introduces the
fundamentals of
applied digital signal processing by implementing a wide range of
digital
signal processing (DSP) applications on the Texas Instrument (TI)
TMS320C54x
DSP processor."

It will surely improve my understanding of DSP in general. But it
also
involves the workload of TMS DSP programming, although my interest is
more
on algorithm design...

What do you think? Can DSPer in this forum give me some experiences?
Will
this help me find an summer intern/job more easily?

Well, I don't know what other experience you have with computer
programming, so I'll try to be careful not to be too definitive in
my advice. I don't have much experience with DSP programming as such,
but I did learn a lot of assembly programming on the then state-of-
the-art i8086 - 80286 + x87 maths processors in the late 80ies/early
90ies.

I've hardly done assembly programming after taking those classes,
but the experience and insights are invaluable. I know a lot more
about what happens inside the computer, what to do and what not to do,
what makes a program fast and what slows it down. These days I don't
do much manual optimization to speed things up, but I do my best not
to make the "obvious" blunders that slow things down. So my immediate
reaction is that such a course could well be very useful for somebody
who implement DSP algorithms.

Having hands-on experience with low-level assembly programming is a
definitive advantage for somebody who works with computer programming,
DSP or not. Somebody with this type of experience would probably do
a better job than somebody without it, given the oportunity to
demonstrate
their capacities. Whether one gets and advantage during the *search*
for
a job, well, that's a completely different question...

Rune

Thanks a lot Rune!

Yeah I have done some INTEL 386+ assembly, but nowadays nobody cares about
those small details/tricks anymore... People talk more about Java, etc.
Maybe that's the trend. Maybe we should do Java for DSP chips, instead of
those low level TI languages...

Yet you have not answered my key question yet... :=)

Quote:

Whether one gets and advantage during the *search*
for a job, well, that's a completely different question...

Rune Allnor
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:20 am Post subject: Re: will this DSP class help me find intern/job more easily?

kiki wrote:

Quote:

"Rune Allnor" <allnor@tele.ntnu.no> wrote in message
news:1104845921.286384.167610@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

kiki wrote:
--------------HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL DSPERS ---------

Thanks and likewise.

Hi all,

I am considering taking a class in DSP with emphasis on TI
processors.

The course description states: "This course introduces the
fundamentals of
applied digital signal processing by implementing a wide range of
digital
signal processing (DSP) applications on the Texas Instrument (TI)
TMS320C54x
DSP processor."

It will surely improve my understanding of DSP in general. But it
also
involves the workload of TMS DSP programming, although my interest
is
more
on algorithm design...

What do you think? Can DSPer in this forum give me some
experiences?
Will
this help me find an summer intern/job more easily?

Well, I don't know what other experience you have with computer
programming, so I'll try to be careful not to be too definitive in
my advice. I don't have much experience with DSP programming as
such,
but I did learn a lot of assembly programming on the then state-of-
the-art i8086 - 80286 + x87 maths processors in the late
80ies/early
90ies.

I've hardly done assembly programming after taking those classes,
but the experience and insights are invaluable. I know a lot more
about what happens inside the computer, what to do and what not to
do,
what makes a program fast and what slows it down. These days I
don't
do much manual optimization to speed things up, but I do my best
not
to make the "obvious" blunders that slow things down. So my
immediate
reaction is that such a course could well be very useful for
somebody
who implement DSP algorithms.

Having hands-on experience with low-level assembly programming is a
definitive advantage for somebody who works with computer
programming,
DSP or not. Somebody with this type of experience would probably do
a better job than somebody without it, given the oportunity to
demonstrate
their capacities. Whether one gets and advantage during the
*search*
for
a job, well, that's a completely different question...

Rune

Thanks a lot Rune!

Yeah I have done some INTEL 386+ assembly, but nowadays nobody cares
about
those small details/tricks anymore... People talk more about Java,
etc.
Maybe that's the trend. Maybe we should do Java for DSP chips,
instead of
those low level TI languages...

You forgot matlab... knowing assembly languages and having experience
with that sort of programming provides a basis for evaluation when
JAVA or MATLAB will do, and when heavy-duty low-level programming
is required. Way too many people have only written a couple of matlab
scripts, and live on in the delusion that they know how to program.
As I said, experience with assembly languages prepares for system
performance evaluation in ways matlab or other languages never can
challenge.

Quote:

Yet you have not answered my key question yet... :=)

I did not, and that was the intention on my part. I wouldn't dream
of trying to come up with a specific answer for your question.
This sort of experience could well be the deciding factor if I
ever were to choose between two candidates, to a large extent
because I don't have any DSP-processor programming experience myself.
If I ever were to hire somebody, I would be reluctant to hire someone
with no assembly programming experience.

But those are my personal views, based on my own experience. Somebody
else might think in completely different ways. In general, the more
DSP you know (practice/theory, system implementation/use, algorithm
design/programming) the better chance you would have in the
job market. But as you suggested, and others agreed on, these are
judgements you have to make yourself, based on your interests and
the amount of work or effort you are willing to spend on learning
a new skill.

Rune

Quote:

Whether one gets and advantage during the *search*
for a job, well, that's a completely different question...

Jon Harris
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:17 am Post subject: Re: will this DSP class help me find intern/job more easily?

"kiki" <lunaliu3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:crev8t$7ks$1@news.Stanford.EDU...

Quote:

Really this class is no use? Could you please specify what are those
"algorithm guys" doing in industry typically? What are those "implementation
guys" doing? Which type of guys get job more easily? Which has more fun in
working?

For me, the ideal job is a blend of both algorithms and implementation details,
probably leaning more toward implementation/"making it work". Of course, this
is just a personal preference and others may have a completely different
opinion. Personally, I get a real kick out of optimizing assembly code
line-by-line, but some might consider that a disease! :-)

Randy Yates
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 5:16 am Post subject: Re: will this DSP class help me find intern/job more easily?

"kiki" <lunaliu3@yahoo.com> writes:

Quote:

"Randy Yates" <randy.yates@sonyericsson.com> wrote in message
news:xxpekh1tgdo.fsf@usrts005.corpusers.net...
"kiki" <lunaliu3@yahoo.com> writes:

--------------HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL DSPERS ---------

Hi all,

I am considering taking a class in DSP with emphasis on TI processors.

The course description states: "This course introduces the fundamentals
of
applied digital signal processing by implementing a wide range of digital
signal processing (DSP) applications on the Texas Instrument (TI)
TMS320C54x
DSP processor."

It will surely improve my understanding of DSP in general. But it also
involves the workload of TMS DSP programming, although my interest is
more
on algorithm design...

What do you think? Can DSPer in this forum give me some experiences? Will
this help me find an summer intern/job more easily?

You sound ambivalent. Do you or do you not want to work at the
assembly language / implementation level? If not, then don't
bother. I've known several PhDs who are "algorithm guys" that wouldn't
spend 5 minutes thinking about implementation issues. If you choose this
route, then I'd also say your road is more difficult since there are a
number of very sharp "algorithm guys" in industry and academia.

But yes, I think the class will help you find a job doing implementation.
--
Randy Yates
Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications
Research Triangle Park, NC, USA
randy.yates@sonyericsson.com, 919-472-1124

Thanks a lot Randy!

OK, well maybe I spoke too soon with that "smart-ass" remark. Sorry -
I hadn't read this post yet. I apologize. I tend to take usenet posts
the wrong way sometimes.

Quote:

Really this class is no use?

Well, no - not if you're goal is to obtain a PhD and work in
algorithms all day. Most of the PhDs I know that do this seldom get to
the assembly language level.

Quote:

Could you please specify what are those
"algorithm guys" doing in industry typically?

Writing papers, going to conferences, and developing Matlab
code. Occasionally they contemplate their navel as well.

Quote:

What are those "implementation guys" doing?

Optimizing C or assembly code, moving things around in the memory
map to make everything fit, writing trouble reports, documenting
the implementation, reading through someone else's code through
which you must interface, etc.

Quote:

Which type of guys get job more easily?

Couldn't really tell you. My gut is that the PhDs have a harder
time landing the ideal "algorithmic ivory tower" jobs.

Quote:

Which has more fun in
working?

Yeah, well I'm pretty sure you know I don't have the anser to
that since it is subjective.

Quote:

It is clear that I like mathematics and algorithms. But do
"algorithm guys" never care about implementation details?

Not never, but seldom to the level of assembly programming.

Quote:

I guess the people you are talking about are those with very
specific job classification in large companies... In those
companies, different types of people do different types of things...

Maybe.
--
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%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % She love the way Puccini lays down a tune, and
%%% 919-577-9882 % Verdi's always creepin' from her room."
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http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

Al Clark
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 5:19 am Post subject: Re: will this DSP class help me find intern/job more easily?

"kiki" <lunaliu3@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:crevif$81r$1@news.Stanford.EDU:

Quote:

"Rune Allnor" <allnor@tele.ntnu.no> wrote in message
news:1104845921.286384.167610@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

kiki wrote:
--------------HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL DSPERS ---------

Thanks and likewise.

Hi all,

I am considering taking a class in DSP with emphasis on TI
processors.

The course description states: "This course introduces the
fundamentals of
applied digital signal processing by implementing a wide range of
digital
signal processing (DSP) applications on the Texas Instrument (TI)
TMS320C54x
DSP processor."

It will surely improve my understanding of DSP in general. But it
also
involves the workload of TMS DSP programming, although my interest
is
more
on algorithm design...

What do you think? Can DSPer in this forum give me some experiences?
Will
this help me find an summer intern/job more easily?

Well, I don't know what other experience you have with computer
programming, so I'll try to be careful not to be too definitive in
my advice. I don't have much experience with DSP programming as such,
but I did learn a lot of assembly programming on the then state-of-
the-art i8086 - 80286 + x87 maths processors in the late 80ies/early
90ies.

I've hardly done assembly programming after taking those classes,
but the experience and insights are invaluable. I know a lot more
about what happens inside the computer, what to do and what not to
do, what makes a program fast and what slows it down. These days I
don't do much manual optimization to speed things up, but I do my
best not to make the "obvious" blunders that slow things down. So my
immediate reaction is that such a course could well be very useful
for somebody who implement DSP algorithms.

Having hands-on experience with low-level assembly programming is a
definitive advantage for somebody who works with computer
programming, DSP or not. Somebody with this type of experience would
probably do a better job than somebody without it, given the
oportunity to demonstrate
their capacities. Whether one gets and advantage during the *search*
for
a job, well, that's a completely different question...

Rune

Thanks a lot Rune!

Yeah I have done some INTEL 386+ assembly, but nowadays nobody cares
about those small details/tricks anymore... People talk more about
Java, etc. Maybe that's the trend. Maybe we should do Java for DSP
chips, instead of those low level TI languages...

Yet you have not answered my key question yet... :=)

Whether one gets and advantage during the *search*
for a job, well, that's a completely different question...

The regulars on comp.dsp tend to fall into two broad categories:
generalists & specialists.

I think you can get very different answers depending on which category
best fits the respondent.

Learning 386 assembly was important even though nobody really spends much
time with 386 assembly anymore. I probably have forgotten more languages
than I still know (maybe 10) and am not really a programmer at all.

Algorithm guys benefit from learning assembly coding. I also think that way
too many programmers need to learn a lot more about the theoretical side.

Your question also reminded me of a situation I had many years ago. I hired
a purely theoretical guy who I had working a noise reduction algorithm for
speech. I asked him how it was working and he showed me his matlab
simulation. I said that's fine, how does it sound? He had no idea, he had
never listened to it! I told him that his matlab program didn't buy our
products, customer's did and they all had ears.

The point I'm making is that find ways to become a more rounded engineer.
If you want to be an algorithm guy, thats fine, but make sure you have an
exposure to other areas.

So my advise to you is to take the class. It doesn't really matter whether
its a TI , ADI or Freescale DSP. If you can learn one, you can learn
another. It will also help make what you've learned so far, a little more
real.

Will it get you a summer intern job? I think its far more likely someone
will hire you for a short term programming task, than for more theoretical
work that may utilize some of the other skills that you are developing. For
longer term employment, there are opportunities for all kinds of engineers.

You might guess that I'm one of the generalists, I like to think that I
know a little bit about just about everything ;-)

--
Al Clark
Danville Signal Processing, Inc.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Purveyors of Fine DSP Hardware and other Cool Stuff
Available at http://www.danvillesignal.com

Randy Yates
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 5:30 am Post subject: Re: will this DSP class help me find intern/job more easily?

Randy Yates <yates@ieee.org> writes:

Quote:

[...]
What are those "implementation guys" doing?

Optimizing C or assembly code, moving things around in the memory
map to make everything fit, writing trouble reports, documenting
the implementation, reading through someone else's code through
which you must interface, etc.

Oh, and I forgot to add: Modifying the algorithm to work better
and faster in 1/5th the (labor) time the PhD spent designing it.

Of course this characteristic is not always appropriate. There are
many PhDs who do real work. The question is: what is your goal?
Personally, I like to have a foot in both worlds.

--RY

--
% Randy Yates % "Maybe one day I'll feel her cold embrace,
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % and kiss her interface,
%%% 919-577-9882 % til then, I'll leave her alone."
%%%% <yates@ieee.org> % 'Yours Truly, 2095', *Time*, ELO
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Jerry Avins
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:52 am Post subject: Re: will this DSP class help me find intern/job more easily?

Rune Allnor wrote:

...

Quote:

I would be reluctant to hire an engineer or technician who wasn't
confident that he could maintain his own bicycle.

Jerry
--
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Jerry Avins
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:05 am Post subject: Re: will this DSP class help me find intern/job more easily?

kiki wrote:

...

Quote:

It is clear that I like mathematics and algorithms. But do "algorithm guys"
never care about implementation details? I guess the people you are talking
about are those with very specific job classification in large companies...
In those companies, different types of people do different types of
things...

There a lot of useful DSP algorithms out there, and implementation guys
use them. Sometimes, algorithm guys get to suggest clever but obscure
algorithms that a "mere" implementation guy might overlook, and very
rarely, they get to invent something entirely new.

Implementation guys get to do something creative every time they work on
a new product. Most of the time, the algorithm guys serve as specialist
advisers. Which is more fun depends on temperament. Almost everyone I
know who likes his job understands more than enough theory to do it well
and also knows how to design a whole system that will accomplish an
assigned task. Some even know which end of a soldering not to pick up.

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯

Jerry Avins
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:17 am Post subject: Re: will this DSP class help me find intern/job more easily?

Randy Yates wrote:

Quote:

Randy Yates <yates@ieee.org> writes:

[...]

What are those "implementation guys" doing?

Optimizing C or assembly code, moving things around in the memory
map to make everything fit, writing trouble reports, documenting
the implementation, reading through someone else's code through
which you must interface, etc.

Oh, and I forgot to add: Modifying the algorithm to work better
and faster in 1/5th the (labor) time the PhD spent designing it.

Of course this characteristic is not always appropriate. There are
many PhDs who do real work. The question is: what is your goal?
Personally, I like to have a foot in both worlds.

--RY

You must hear of my encounter with an ivory-tower logic designer back in
the days when ab XOR gate had to be made out of simpler parts. He saw my
design that used four NANDs in one package (four NORs will do) and
declared it to be sub-optimal. His "optimum" design used three NANDs and
two inverters: more pins total and two packages. I objected, "That uses
more hardware." He answered, "So? You have a redundant Boolean term."

It's OK to be a theoretician, but don't be one of that kind.

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯

Randy Yates
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:47 am Post subject: Re: will this DSP class help me find intern/job more easily?

Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> writes:

Quote:

Makes the point nicely, Jerry.

Quote:

It's OK to be a theoretician, but don't be one of that kind.

Agreed this is the goal. The problem is that it is really difficult
to be really good at both theory and implementation. The time
to study (whether it be the assembly language or the Galois field)
is a significant issue. That's why I'm telling Kiki that it really
depends on where his (her?) goal lies.
--
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%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % Who are you and who am I?"
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Jerry Avins
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:01 am Post subject: Re: will this DSP class help me find intern/job more easily?

Randy Yates wrote:

Quote:

Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> writes:

You must hear of my encounter with an ivory-tower logic designer back in
the days when ab XOR gate had to be made out of simpler parts. He saw my
design that used four NANDs in one package (four NORs will do) and
declared it to be sub-optimal. His "optimum" design used three NANDs and
two inverters: more pins total and two packages. I objected, "That uses
more hardware." He answered, "So? You have a redundant Boolean term."

Makes the point nicely, Jerry.

It's OK to be a theoretician, but don't be one of that kind.

Agreed this is the goal. The problem is that it is really difficult
to be really good at both theory and implementation. The time
to study (whether it be the assembly language or the Galois field)
is a significant issue. That's why I'm telling Kiki that it really
depends on where his (her?) goal lies.

I agree with your analysis. My point was that the academic ought to have
recognized that he was in the presence of true genius. :-)

My serious point was that one needs to agree on evaluation criteria
before pronouncing something optimal or not.

Jerry
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