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Skybuck Flying
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Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:15 am Post subject:
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Hi,
Has anyone of you in these newsgroups ever filed for a patent ?
I really like my marker idea... etc...
Data:
dddddeeeeefff <- bits of different fields d, e, f
Marker:
000010001001 <- markers to identify fields.
Finally these bits are interleaved:
d0d0d0d0d1e0e0e0e1f0f0f1
It seems nothing like this has ever be done before.
The only ones which came close where IBM... 1401 machine...
It used 1 bit per BCD decimal digit. Something like that.
If somebody is going to be filthy rich from my marker idea for bits... it
might as well be me the original inventor ;) :)
However I have never ever patented anything before =D
And I don't life in the United States of America...
I life in the Netherlands/Europe.
So... I am reading this website:
"How to get a patent" :)
http://www.uspto.gov/web/patents/howtopat.htm
It says:
1. File a Utility Patent Application.
2. File a Design Patent Application.
3. File a Plant Patent Application.
4. File a Patent Application electronically.
Which one fits best ?
Somewhere else it said the patent needs to be filled in the USA.
First I thought this ment, maybe I need to live in the USA ?
But it doesn't say that does it ? Maybe it just means it needs to be
"filled" = requested in the USA ?
So can anybody in the whole world ask/fill for a patent in the USA ? ;) :)
That would be cool =D
Bye,
Skybuck. |
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Edward A. Feustel
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Wed Aug 03, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject:
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"Skybuck Flying" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dcppsq$tjo$1@news4.zwoll1.ov.home.nl...
| Quote: | Hi,
Has anyone of you in these newsgroups ever filed for a patent ?
I really like my marker idea... etc...
Data:
dddddeeeeefff <- bits of different fields d, e, f
Marker:
000010001001 <- markers to identify fields.
Finally these bits are interleaved:
d0d0d0d0d1e0e0e0e1f0f0f1
It seems nothing like this has ever be done before.
The only ones which came close where IBM... 1401 machine...
It used 1 bit per BCD decimal digit. Something like that.
If somebody is going to be filthy rich from my marker idea for bits... it
might as well be me the original inventor ;) :)
However I have never ever patented anything before =D
And I don't life in the United States of America...
I life in the Netherlands/Europe.
So... I am reading this website:
"How to get a patent" :)
http://www.uspto.gov/web/patents/howtopat.htm
It says:
1. File a Utility Patent Application.
2. File a Design Patent Application.
3. File a Plant Patent Application.
4. File a Patent Application electronically.
Which one fits best ?
Somewhere else it said the patent needs to be filled in the USA.
First I thought this ment, maybe I need to live in the USA ?
But it doesn't say that does it ? Maybe it just means it needs to be
"filled" = requested in the USA ?
So can anybody in the whole world ask/fill for a patent in the USA ? ;) :)
That would be cool =D
Bye,
Skybuck.
I think that you will find that it could be called prior art even if there |
was no
patent. If so, this will mean that you can't patent it in the US.
Ed |
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John Savard
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Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:15 pm Post subject:
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On 3 Aug 2005 05:35:44 -0700, "jon@beniston.com" <jon@beniston.com>
wrote, in part:
| Quote: | Is there not a section that describes how your invention needs to be
kept secret before filing? Posting it on Usenet is not such a good
idea!
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In the United States, you have to keep it secret before *one year*
before filing, unlike in other countries, where you have to keep secret
before filing itself.
Of course, the IBM 1401 and the IBM 1620 and so on are prior art...
John Savard
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jon@beniston.com
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Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:15 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | So... I am reading this website:
"How to get a patent"
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Is there not a section that describes how your invention needs to be
kept secret before filing? Posting it on Usenet is not such a good
idea!
Cheers,
Jon |
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Andy Freeman
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Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:19 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | In the United States, you have to keep it secret before *one year*
before filing,
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I don't know what "United States" that the above is true in.
The US currently lets inventors claim their "invention date" as their
priority date and said date can be up to one year prior to the filing
date. Other countries use the filing date (including the US filing
date) as the priority date and any publication prior to said filing is
a bar (that is, makes the filing void).
Of course, patent advice that you get on usenet is worth less than what
you paid. |
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Joe Pfeiffer
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Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:53 pm Post subject:
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"jon@beniston.com" <jon@beniston.com> writes:
| Quote: | So... I am reading this website:
"How to get a patent"
Is there not a section that describes how your invention needs to be
kept secret before filing? Posting it on Usenet is not such a good
idea!
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Not quite -- in the US, you have to file the patent application within
one year of publication or public use of the invention (35 USC
102(b). The law actually says "printed" publication, but I wouldn't
rely on that to keep a post on Usenet from invalidating a patent. I
believe the US is the only country that has the one-year grace period;
elsewhere, any prior publication invalidates the patent.
Note: IANAL, if you need legal advice go find somebody who actually
knows what they're talking about.
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Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605
Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002
New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer
skype: jjpfeifferjr |
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Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:45 pm Post subject:
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Opteron processors add marker bits just like this to the instruction
byte-stream to aid the parsing of raw bytes into undecoded instruction
bundles. |
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Skybuck Flying
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:50 am Post subject:
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<MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Opteron processors add marker bits just like this to the instruction
byte-stream to aid the parsing of raw bytes into undecoded instruction
bundles.
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When searching with google there are many uses of markers bits, so that in
itself is nothing new.
What makes my idea different and probably new is that the marker bits are
embedded into the variable field itself.
So a more accurate description would be:
"Variable (bit) fields who's length is embedded into the variable itself".
Bye,
Skybuck. |
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Patrick Schaaf
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:15 am Post subject:
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"Skybuck Flying" <nospam@hotmail.com> writes:
| Quote: | What makes my idea different and probably new is that the marker bits are
embedded into the variable field itself.
So a more accurate description would be:
"Variable (bit) fields who's length is embedded into the variable itself".
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But that is also commonplace, embedding lengthes within the variables
themselves. All kinds of variable length network packet packing
works this way.
What is possibly new with your idea, is wasting every other bit for
those markers, instead of coding the length in different ways.
best regards
Patrick |
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Dennis M. O'Connor
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:15 am Post subject:
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"Skybuck Flying" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote ...
| Quote: | What makes my idea different and probably new is that the marker bits are
embedded into the variable field itself.
So a more accurate description would be:
"Variable (bit) fields who's length is embedded into the variable itself".
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Sorry, not a new idea. Many variations have existed for years,
from unary encoding to Huffman coding to variable-length strings.
Most of these methods are cleverer and more efficient than yours.
Either you must have a pretty high opinion of yourself, as well as
no clue as to how little you know, to think that this is a novel idea;
or you are a troll. Either way, it's for the best that you aren't
using your real name. Not that you can't be traced ... you post
from cp250405-a.landg1.lb.home.nl , have a website at
http://www.mycgiserver.com/~skybuck/ , and at one
point had an email address of skybuck2000@hotmail.com .
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Dennis M. O'Connor dmoc@primenet.com |
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Terje Mathisen
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:15 am Post subject:
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Skybuck Flying wrote:
| Quote: | What makes my idea different and probably new is that the marker bits are
embedded into the variable field itself.
So a more accurate description would be:
"Variable (bit) fields who's length is embedded into the variable itself".
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Sounds like Huffman coding to me?
(Except your setup is like the original Manchester hard disk encoders
which wasted 50% of the bandwidth simply to guarantee clock recovery.)
Terje
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"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching" |
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Skybuck Flying
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:07 pm Post subject:
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"Terje Mathisen" <terje.mathisen@hda.hydro.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Skybuck Flying wrote:
What makes my idea different and probably new is that the marker bits
are
embedded into the variable field itself.
So a more accurate description would be:
"Variable (bit) fields who's length is embedded into the variable
itself".
Sounds like Huffman coding to me?
(Except your setup is like the original Manchester hard disk encoders
which wasted 50% of the bandwidth simply to guarantee clock recovery.)
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See the other thread to find out what huffman's coding limitations are ;)
Bye,
Skybuck. |
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Skybuck Flying
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:40 pm Post subject:
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"Dennis M. O'Connor" <dmoc@primenet.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Skybuck Flying" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote ...
What makes my idea different and probably new is that the marker bits
are
embedded into the variable field itself.
So a more accurate description would be:
"Variable (bit) fields who's length is embedded into the variable
itself".
Sorry, not a new idea. Many variations have existed for years,
from unary encoding to Huffman coding to variable-length strings.
Most of these methods are cleverer and more efficient than yours.
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Ok let's see.
1. Unary encoding I don't know about that... I have to look into that :)
2. Variable length strings. So far I have seen two variations:
2.1 Length Prefix + Characters
This kind of string is limited to the number of bits used for the length
prefix. Assuming that the
length prefix has a *fixed* bit size. So it's not truely variable/infinite
;), it's limited-variable ;)
2.2 Characters + Null char terminator.
Yes these kind of strings are truely infinite/variable. However using these
kinds of strings as big integer numbers would be a peverse way of doing
arithmetic computation ;) :)
3. Huffman encoding.
So far I have seen two variations:
3.1 Static huffman.
Static huffman is not dynamic, which means the huffman tree is
pre-determined. This would mean that all possible bit combinations would
have to be in the tree. Since the number of bit combinations is infinite to
the tree would have to be infinite which is impossible. Thus to actually use
static huffman the huffman tree has to be limited up front, thus creating a
fixed sized limit for the to be compressed data.
So static huffman is not truely variable/infinite... I guess that's why they
call it static huffman :)
3.2 Dynamic huffman.
Dynamic huffman allows the tree to grow to infinite size. However to
encode/decode data successfully both compressing/decompressing trees need to
be in-sync.
Since a CPU can follow many different branches and at each branch
encode/decode data. I see no way how dynamic huffman encoding/decoding could
be used to compress/decompress all data inside a computer.
Since it would be highly likely that the dynamic trees would go out-of-sync.
However as other people have pointed out, huffman compression is used inside
computers for the instruction opcodes if I am not mistaking. These opcodes
are pre-determined and do not change.
So there you have folks ;) =D
As always it was a pleasure :)
| Quote: | Most of these methods are cleverer and more efficient than yours.
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Depends on what they are used for. I am pretty convinced my data format can
be used for any computational job.
As already shown above huffman has it's limitations. So scratch one =D
<snip drivel :)>
Bye,
Skybuck.
P.S.: Changing newsgroup to alt.flame is not a nice thing to do :)
Since this beauty of a post doesn't deserved to be burned up I am
reposting it too the original newsgroup :D :P =D |
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Skybuck Flying
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:59 pm Post subject:
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From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unary_coding
Unary coding is an entropy encoding that represents a number n with n ones
followed
by a zero. For example 5 is represented as 111110.
It's save to save Old Little Dennis was trolling a bit ;)
Bye,
Skybuck. |
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Skybuck Flying
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:28 pm Post subject:
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I must thank the troll because thanks to him I have finally found out what
the hell it is I invented lol.
It's simply another universal code. (An interleaved one that is ;) which has
fun properties :) )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_code
The question remains if it is possible to patent it ;), next I'll be
searching for patents on these universal codes :)
Bye,
Skybuck. |
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