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Will
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Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:16 am Post subject:
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I am looking for the cheapest backup software solution for Windows networks
that meets these criteria:
- Uses tape libraries that run AIT2, AIT3, LTO2, and LTO3 drives,
specifically ADIC Scalar 100 and Overland Neo 4100 (yes, I know the latter
doesn't support AIT)
- Works flawlessly over a SAN
- Includes a remote agent capability that does NOT rely on Microsoft
networking and uses a pure TCP/IP interface that can travel easily through
properly-configured firewalls
- Includes very strong media management capabilities, such as the ability to
maintain a grandfather-father-child scheme and produce clear reports
indicating when to take particular tapes out of the library, when to recycle
specific tapes, etc.
- Cost per computer under $50 for up to about 25 computers. Some of the
low-end packages like Veritas Backup Exec are charging $150 or more per
remote agent, which considering how primitive it is makes it pretty
expensive.
What are the best options for the budget and features specified above?
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Will
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Susan Doucette
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Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:37 am Post subject:
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You're not going to find anything cheap that meets all these criteria. All
vendors require extra licensing for autochanger support. As for SAN, I
assume you mean dynamically sharing the tape library among your SAN-attached
hosts, right? That's definately extra cost. Basically you're dreaming if
you think this is will come in under $50 per server. I recommend Legato
NetWorker if you can overcome the budget issue.
"Will" <DELETE_westes@earthbroadcast.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I am looking for the cheapest backup software solution for Windows networks
that meets these criteria:
- Uses tape libraries that run AIT2, AIT3, LTO2, and LTO3 drives,
specifically ADIC Scalar 100 and Overland Neo 4100 (yes, I know the latter
doesn't support AIT)
- Works flawlessly over a SAN
- Includes a remote agent capability that does NOT rely on Microsoft
networking and uses a pure TCP/IP interface that can travel easily through
properly-configured firewalls
- Includes very strong media management capabilities, such as the ability
to
maintain a grandfather-father-child scheme and produce clear reports
indicating when to take particular tapes out of the library, when to
recycle
specific tapes, etc.
- Cost per computer under $50 for up to about 25 computers. Some of the
low-end packages like Veritas Backup Exec are charging $150 or more per
remote agent, which considering how primitive it is makes it pretty
expensive.
What are the best options for the budget and features specified above?
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Will
westes AT earthbroadcast.com
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Paul Rubin
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Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:16 am Post subject:
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"Susan Doucette" <sdoucette@navisite.com> writes:
| Quote: | You're not going to find anything cheap that meets all these criteria. All
vendors require extra licensing for autochanger support. As for SAN, I
assume you mean dynamically sharing the tape library among your SAN-attached
hosts, right? That's definately extra cost. Basically you're dreaming if
you think this is will come in under $50 per server. I recommend Legato
NetWorker if you can overcome the budget issue.
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I thought the OP wanted under $50 per client, not per server.
Is the autochanger that big a deal? I thought those tape robots just
used fairly simple, standardized commands. |
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Will
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Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:16 am Post subject:
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So far EMC/Dantz Retrospect 7 is coming very close to my price target,
unless I don't understand the pricing model. With so much competition in
the backup space, I just can't believe that there are not a few good
packages coming in at just over $50/server.
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Will
westes AT earthbroadcast.com
"Susan Doucette" <sdoucette@navisite.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | You're not going to find anything cheap that meets all these criteria.
All
vendors require extra licensing for autochanger support. As for SAN, I
assume you mean dynamically sharing the tape library among your
SAN-attached
hosts, right? That's definately extra cost. Basically you're dreaming if
you think this is will come in under $50 per server. I recommend Legato
NetWorker if you can overcome the budget issue. |
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Charles Morrall
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:17 am Post subject:
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"Paul Rubin" <http://phr.cx@NOSPAM.invalid> skrev i meddelandet
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| Quote: | "Susan Doucette" <sdoucette@navisite.com> writes:
You're not going to find anything cheap that meets all these criteria.
All
vendors require extra licensing for autochanger support. As for SAN, I
assume you mean dynamically sharing the tape library among your
SAN-attached
hosts, right? That's definately extra cost. Basically you're dreaming
if
you think this is will come in under $50 per server. I recommend Legato
NetWorker if you can overcome the budget issue.
I thought the OP wanted under $50 per client, not per server.
Is the autochanger that big a deal? I thought those tape robots just
used fairly simple, standardized commands.
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In this context (backup software) client means server, ie each server is a
client to the backup server.
The robots use fairly simply, standardized commands indeed. Vendors tend to
charge for the value of the functionality, real, percieved or otherwise.
Using an autochanger is more value, hence they charge for it.
Although unless I'm mistaken, Veritas Backup Exec includes a one drive
autochanger in the base server license. You have to license additional
drives though. |
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David Magda
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Thu Aug 11, 2005 12:16 am Post subject:
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Paul Rubin <http://phr.cx@NOSPAM.invalid> writes:
| Quote: | Is the autochanger that big a deal? I thought those tape robots
just used fairly simple, standardized commands.
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They do. On FreeBSD you can write your own autoloader using the ch(4)
device and the chio(1). On Solaris you can download and compile 'mtx'
yourself.
The trick is integrating it with 3rd party back up software.
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David Magda <dmagda at ee.ryerson.ca>
Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under
the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well
under the new. -- Niccolo Machiavelli, _The Prince_, Chapter VI |
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Paul Rubin
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Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:26 am Post subject:
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David Magda <dmagda+trace050401@ee.ryerson.ca> writes:
| Quote: | They do. On FreeBSD you can write your own autoloader using the ch(4)
device and the chio(1). On Solaris you can download and compile 'mtx'
yourself.
The trick is integrating it with 3rd party back up software.
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Oh cool. Next thing I wonder is, what does that 3rd party backup
software really do, that needs more than a couple of simple perl
scripts to accomplish? They charge big bucks for it and there must be
a reason. |
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Rob Turk
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Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:16 am Post subject:
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"Paul Rubin" <http://phr.cx@NOSPAM.invalid> wrote in message
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| Quote: | David Magda <dmagda+trace050401@ee.ryerson.ca> writes:
They do. On FreeBSD you can write your own autoloader using the ch(4)
device and the chio(1). On Solaris you can download and compile 'mtx'
yourself.
The trick is integrating it with 3rd party back up software.
Oh cool. Next thing I wonder is, what does that 3rd party backup
software really do, that needs more than a couple of simple perl
scripts to accomplish? They charge big bucks for it and there must be
a reason.
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They maintain a database to remember which tape contains which piece of data
and from that they automate picking the right tape. They also offer other
functionality like integration with databases like SQL, Oracle, DB2,
Exchange, with NAS devices like NetApp Filers to run NDMP, with open file
managers, with SAN devices etc.
The basics of a backup package are not that hard. You pay for the advanced
functionality that make your life easy. Backup is an insurance policy. If
you pay the lowest fee possible, expect to have difficulty collecting when
disaster strikes.
Have you looked at Amanda for backup? Integrates with mtx and can handle
both Unix and Windows clients. http://www.amanda.org/
Rob |
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