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Yousuf Khan
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:15 am Post subject:
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A talk with Christophe Maleville, of Soitec in France. They manufacture
SOI wafers, so naturally this a very pro-SOI interview. But I'm sure it
can be educational, nonetheless.
The Silicon-on-Insulator question: Q&A with Christophe Maleville, Soitec
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20051028PR201.html
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Del Cecchi
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:15 pm Post subject:
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Yousuf Khan wrote:
| Quote: | A talk with Christophe Maleville, of Soitec in France. They manufacture
SOI wafers, so naturally this a very pro-SOI interview. But I'm sure it
can be educational, nonetheless.
The Silicon-on-Insulator question: Q&A with Christophe Maleville, Soitec
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20051028PR201.html
Yousuf Khan
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They use a somewhat unusual technique to make soi. You will recall that
there are companies that have been in mass production of SOI for some
years including IBM, Chartered, and the perennial favorite AMD.
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Johnno
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:02 pm Post subject:
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Del Cecchi <cecchinospam@us.ibm.com> wrote in news:3sennmFnkfaeU3
@individual.net:
| Quote: | Yousuf Khan wrote:
A talk with Christophe Maleville, of Soitec in France. They manufacture
SOI wafers, so naturally this a very pro-SOI interview. But I'm sure it
can be educational, nonetheless.
The Silicon-on-Insulator question: Q&A with Christophe Maleville, Soitec
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20051028PR201.html
Yousuf Khan
They use a somewhat unusual technique to make soi. You will recall that
there are companies that have been in mass production of SOI for some
years including IBM, Chartered, and the perennial favorite AMD.
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And where do you think most(if not all) of these companies get their SOI
wafers from? |
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YKhan
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:15 am Post subject:
Re: Silicon On Insulator technology |
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George Macdonald wrote:
| Quote: | "AMD has announced it is moving to SOI for 90-nanometer and below
technologies."
I thought that AMD had moved to SOI at 130nm... in fact from the beginning
of AMD64... and about 3 years ago, they had to jump ship from Moto to IBM
to get the process right.
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Yup, that's my understanding too.
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Del Cecchi
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:15 am Post subject:
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Johnno wrote:
| Quote: | Del Cecchi <cecchinospam@us.ibm.com> wrote in news:3sennmFnkfaeU3
@individual.net:
Yousuf Khan wrote:
A talk with Christophe Maleville, of Soitec in France. They manufacture
SOI wafers, so naturally this a very pro-SOI interview. But I'm sure it
can be educational, nonetheless.
The Silicon-on-Insulator question: Q&A with Christophe Maleville, Soitec
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20051028PR201.html
Yousuf Khan
They use a somewhat unusual technique to make soi. You will recall that
there are companies that have been in mass production of SOI for some
years including IBM, Chartered, and the perennial favorite AMD.
And where do you think most(if not all) of these companies get their SOI
wafers from?
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yes you are indeed correct. my information was out of date and IBM does
get some bonded wafers.
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Del Cecchi
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George Macdonald
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:15 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:17:52 -0400, Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@ezrs.com> wrote:
| Quote: | A talk with Christophe Maleville, of Soitec in France. They manufacture
SOI wafers, so naturally this a very pro-SOI interview. But I'm sure it
can be educational, nonetheless.
The Silicon-on-Insulator question: Q&A with Christophe Maleville, Soitec
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20051028PR201.html
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"AMD has announced it is moving to SOI for 90-nanometer and below
technologies."
I thought that AMD had moved to SOI at 130nm... in fact from the beginning
of AMD64... and about 3 years ago, they had to jump ship from Moto to IBM
to get the process right.
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YKhan
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:15 am Post subject:
Re: Silicon On Insulator technology |
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Del Cecchi wrote:
| Quote: | They use a somewhat unusual technique to make soi. You will recall that
there are companies that have been in mass production of SOI for some
years including IBM, Chartered, and the perennial favorite AMD.
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I know for a fact that Soitec is the supplier of SOI wafers to AMD.
Probably Chartered and IBM also get their's from these guys, since they
have such an interlinked development process with each other.
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keith
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:15 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:08:19 -0400, George Macdonald wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:17:52 -0400, Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@ezrs.com> wrote:
A talk with Christophe Maleville, of Soitec in France. They manufacture
SOI wafers, so naturally this a very pro-SOI interview. But I'm sure it
can be educational, nonetheless.
The Silicon-on-Insulator question: Q&A with Christophe Maleville, Soitec
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20051028PR201.html
"AMD has announced it is moving to SOI for 90-nanometer and below
technologies."
I thought that AMD had moved to SOI at 130nm... in fact from the beginning
of AMD64... and about 3 years ago, they had to jump ship from Moto to IBM
to get the process right.
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Just the facts. ...but perhaps not all of 'em.
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George Macdonald
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:02 pm Post subject:
Re: Silicon On Insulator technology |
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:12:45 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:08:19 -0400, George Macdonald wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:17:52 -0400, Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@ezrs.com> wrote:
A talk with Christophe Maleville, of Soitec in France. They manufacture
SOI wafers, so naturally this a very pro-SOI interview. But I'm sure it
can be educational, nonetheless.
The Silicon-on-Insulator question: Q&A with Christophe Maleville, Soitec
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20051028PR201.html
"AMD has announced it is moving to SOI for 90-nanometer and below
technologies."
I thought that AMD had moved to SOI at 130nm... in fact from the beginning
of AMD64... and about 3 years ago, they had to jump ship from Moto to IBM
to get the process right.
Just the facts. ...but perhaps not all of 'em.
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QUOI? Some secrets that never saw the light of day?;-)
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keith
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:47 am Post subject:
Re: Silicon On Insulator technology |
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:02:57 -0500, George Macdonald wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:12:45 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:08:19 -0400, George Macdonald wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:17:52 -0400, Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@ezrs.com> wrote:
A talk with Christophe Maleville, of Soitec in France. They manufacture
SOI wafers, so naturally this a very pro-SOI interview. But I'm sure it
can be educational, nonetheless.
The Silicon-on-Insulator question: Q&A with Christophe Maleville, Soitec
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20051028PR201.html
"AMD has announced it is moving to SOI for 90-nanometer and below
technologies."
I thought that AMD had moved to SOI at 130nm... in fact from the beginning
of AMD64... and about 3 years ago, they had to jump ship from Moto to IBM
to get the process right.
Just the facts. ...but perhaps not all of 'em.
QUOI? Some secrets that never saw the light of day?;-)
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QUOI??? Sure, but if they ever saw the light-of-day they wouldn't be
secrets, eh? ;-)
AMD and IBM have always had a close relationship. In the K6 days it was
quite close. Motorola and IBM had a rather close relationship too, but...
Notice *when* AMD decided to go with Moto for SOI, then changed their
mind. Also notice how many SOI products Moto pushed out the door. SOI was
a whistling-bitch to tame.
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Zak
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:15 pm Post subject:
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keith wrote:
| Quote: | Also notice how many SOI products Moto pushed out the door. SOI was
a whistling-bitch to tame.
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From an ancient data book (6802 era, perhaps pre-6809) I remember a
chip with SOS technology - Silicon On Sapphire.
Does anyone know where that went? Did it ever work? Why isn't it used today?
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Del Cecchi
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:15 pm Post subject:
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"Zak" <jute@zak.invalid> wrote in message
news:436b5e61$0$4659$6c4159fb@news.tweaknews.nl...
| Quote: | keith wrote:
Also notice how many SOI products Moto pushed out the door. SOI was
a whistling-bitch to tame.
From an ancient data book (6802 era, perhaps pre-6809) I remember a
chip with SOS technology - Silicon On Sapphire.
Does anyone know where that went? Did it ever work? Why isn't it used
today?
Thomas
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It is still around. Wafers are way expensive, and smaller than Silicon
wafers used nowdays.
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Dave
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:56 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:57:07 -0600, "Del Cecchi"
<delcecchiofthenorth@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | From an ancient data book (6802 era, perhaps pre-6809) I remember a
chip with SOS technology - Silicon On Sapphire.
It is still around. Wafers are way expensive, and smaller than Silicon
wafers used nowdays.
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Whatever happened to gallium arsenide? wasn't that the next big thing
a few years ago?
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Keith
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:13 am Post subject:
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In article <d48nm1dsdd5n04190kbh3kv6o9gqnb3mqv@4ax.com>,
emailmeat.pants@gmail.com says...
| Quote: | On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:57:07 -0600, "Del Cecchi"
delcecchiofthenorth@gmail.com> wrote:
From an ancient data book (6802 era, perhaps pre-6809) I remember a
chip with SOS technology - Silicon On Sapphire.
It is still around. Wafers are way expensive, and smaller than Silicon
wafers used nowdays.
Whatever happened to gallium arsenide? wasn't that the next big thing
a few years ago?
It's still arround, but mostly used for analog and bipolar stuff, not |
much for logic. SiGe has a lot of advantages though.
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