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Karen · Guest

I've just built a new system and I'm running WinXP w/ SP2 on it. My main
drive is a SATA disk. I also have two hard disks left over from my old
machine. I want to get the data off of them and move it to the new disk, but
I'm having trouble with one of them.

The hard disk that's giving me trouble is old (purchased in 1997). I know
this about it: 1) I need to use the original IDE cables that came with it to
make my machine recognize it, and 2) It's NTFS.

When I try to move or copy/paste or cut/paste anything from it (even just
one file), my screen goes black, and my machine instantly re-boots itself.

How can I get the 10GB of MP3s I have off this thing and onto my new drive?

R. C. White · Guest

Hi, Karen.

When mixing different HD interfaces (IDE with SCSI or SATA, for example),
the biggest challenge is usually to get the computer to recognize which is
"Disk 0" and to boot from our choice. This often makes it very tricky to
boot from the CD-ROM (to run Setup) and still get WinXP's system partition
created on the target drive. Sounds like you are past all this, though
(probably by having the IDE drives completely disconnected while installing
WinXP on the SATA drive).

HOW are you getting to the point to copy from your old drive? I would try
to do it like this: Shut down the computer. Plug in the old drive (just
one at a time for now), making sure the cables and jumpers are set
correctly. (What about your CD/DVD drive(s)? Are they IDE? Connected as
primary or secondary; master or slave? Their connections/settings may be
conflicting with HD configuration.) Then boot to WinXP (on SATA, of course)
and use Disk Management to make sure the old drive is showing up correctly,
and note the "drive" letters, of course.

From that point, I would expect all drives - new, old, optical, USB, etc. -
to behave normally and respond properly to commands from the GUI or from the
"DOS" window.

Is that the way you've been trying to move your old files?

I've not been very successful in trying to use the "paste" command to move
whole files. I can either use "Copy" or "Xcopy" in a "DOS" window, or just
drag'n'drop with the mouse in the Windows GUI. I use paste to move blocks
of text or other objects, rather than files.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@corridor.net
Microsoft Windows MVP

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Karen · Guest

Oh, heavens, the troubles I've had with this. This was the first time I've
ever assembled a computer myself from scratch. Along the way, I think I've
had every correct (and incorrect) configuration you can imagine. And boy have
I learned a lot about putting together computers. :-)

I know this about my old drive (the one that's causing the crashes): it's
EIDE and the only way I can get my new machine (Athlon 64-bit processor on an
MSI K8N Neo-FSR mobo) to recognize it is to use the original IDE cable that
came with it.

I've got my SATA drive hooked up to the SATA connection; a 30GB Maxtor Ultra
ATA as master on IDE1, and the 13GB Western Digital (the one that's crashing)
as slave on IDE2; and a Plextor CD-R as master on IDE2, and a (very old)
Toshiba CD-DVD as slave on IDE2.

So far, I've tried drag-and-drop, cut-and-paste, copy-and-paste, and the
disk-to-disk file copy utility program from Western Digital (both the
troublemaking drive and the new SATA drive happen to be WD). I even tried
moving the files to my iPod. In every case: CRASH!

At one point, I had the 30GB and the 13GB connected to IDE1 and IDE2,
respectively: CRASH.

Got any more ideas? Are there any file-transfer utilities out there that
would be likely to handle this on my current machine, or do I have an
inherent hardware conflict?

Thanks for your reply!

"R. C. White" wrote:

R. C. White · Guest

Hi, Karen.

Aren't computers FUN? ;<}

I doubt that I have the whole solution for you, but let me pick out some
bits and pieces for comment.

Karen · Guest

Karen · Guest

R.C.,

I'm back home with the beast computer again. What I've determined so far:

1. If I have the 30GB and 13GB both hooked up to the 40-pin/40-wire cable,
Windows shuts down (screen goes black and computer re-starts itself) while
it's in the middle of the WinXP start-up screen.

2. XCOPY doesn't work either.

Now, I haven't done anything with the jumper settings, mostly because I've
been too lazy to mess with them since I really doubt that's magically going
to solve what seems to be a ubiquitous problem.

What do you think? Any chance the jumper settings will change anything? If
so, what settings do I want?

Bob Noble · Guest

Karen,
Jumper settings are everything. You need a to learn about jumpers settings.
Sorry, I'm not in the mood to go through it all. :O)
Your new system likely has cable select, so set everything on cs and your
system will sort it out.
--
Bob Noble
www.sonic.net/bnoble
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R. C. White · Guest

Hi, Karen.

Karen · Guest

RC - Would you mind if I contacted you directly at your email address? This
is getting messy and confusing here, but I do have more info (more
experiments -- including with jumper settings -- last night).

R. C. White · Guest

Hi, Karen.

Let's keep the discussion here in the newsgroups (sometimes called
Discussion Groups), for several reasons, which I'll list for the benefit of
anybody reading here...

First, that's the protocol: post your question here; come back here for
your answer. Netiquette frowns on email responses to newsgroup posts unless
email is specifically invited or the subject veers from the topic of the
newsgroup.

Second, our discussion here might help others with similar problems and
frustrations. Email can't benefit any more than the two parties involved.
Here, we never know who is "reading over our shoulders", but we can be sure
there are many.

Third, you are more likely to get a good answer here. If I give you wrong
or incomplete advice here, someone else can jump in and correct it or add to
it. If I give you such advice in email, you're just stuck with it.

Fourth, my knowledge is limited to what I've experienced, heard about and
read about - and haven't forgotten. Here your question is read by thousands
(millions?) of people, many of them much more expert than me. There's an
excellent chance that one of them knows about your model of hardware and may
have had a similar experience, or helped someone else with a similar
problem. You're much less likely to be stuck with "I don't know" as a final
response.

Finally, many of us here (including many MVPs) volunteer to spend several
hours a week trying to help out. But we haven't volunteered to become
anybody's personal IT department. I usually answer newsgroup posts first,
if I can, and email questions "when I get a round tuit", which sometimes
means never. :>(

I'm not offended by email responses to newsgroup posts, but they have very
low priority when I'm deciding how to spend my day.

If you will copy'n'paste the main points from the email you sent me and post
it here, I'll give it my best shot. And, hopefully, someone else can see
what I'm missing and fill in the gaps.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@corridor.net
Microsoft Windows MVP

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